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We will brook no argument for a boring, uneventful, blooming pregnancy; followed by a perfectly-timed pain-free sneeze birth; vol 5

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ScreamIfYouWantToMeetSanta · 12/12/2011 23:13

Hi No Brookers! I do hope this has worked and is in the right place...

I've added a few extra sofas so we have plenty of space for all the Rat Smackers who will be joining us soon. There's also a nice long table filled with mince pies, yule logs, gingerbread snowmen and xmas puds! Plus some non-alcoholic mulled wine. I've strategically positioned a few clean glittery vom buckets under the table, just in case it's still a bit too early for xmas munchies for some people!

As you were...

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scarletfingernail · 05/01/2012 21:32

Biscuits after the scan I had to go through to the ante-natal clinic as the midwife referred me for consultant led care due to my previous birth and subsequent MCs. We were told the wait was going to be about 2 hours (doctors were called to an emergency) but if we wanted to talk to a breast feeding advisor during the wait there was one available to chat with privately in a side room. I didn't realise how much it had upset me until I started talking about it with her, but I left feeling more positive and enthusiastic about doing it again. My main concern was that there'd be no support again but she reassured me that there's been much improvement on that count over the last 3 years.

Hope that Farley is showing signs of improvement Hawthers

Wants3 · 05/01/2012 21:34

hawthers, thinking of you. Similar thing happened to my nephew, unidentified virus but he pulled through fine!ninja my DSs are 14 and 16, worth checking hospital policy about letting children in scan rooms though as they are all different.
It wasn't me who mentioned MIL but I am anticipating a few of those comments from other people. I am just so relieved that he seems healthy!

Biscuitsandtea · 05/01/2012 21:37

Ah thanks Scarlet - so sounds like if I ask enough times at the hospital hopefully we'll get someone helpful!

Hawthers - thinking of you and wee Farley. Hope things are improving for you all. Do let us know how you're getting on if you get a chance at all. Take care xx

scarletfingernail · 05/01/2012 21:41

I hope so Biscuits. Unfortunately I can't remember the woman's name. She said someone would ring me nearer the time. If they do I'll ask more questions about how it works in the hospital and let you know.

scarletfingernail · 05/01/2012 21:42

Oh and thanks for listening Purple, and the links Smile

PurpleWithaBlueBun · 05/01/2012 21:46

No problem Scarlet :)
Obviously none of us will have any bf problems this time!

Biscuitsandtea · 05/01/2012 21:59

Yes good point - thank you purple for all the advice and good tips.

I'm feeling a bit more positive after reading some of the stuff today - I feel a bit better prepared this time and I wish I'd known to carry on more with skin to skin time etc. And I like the tip to express within the 6 hours.

Just remember brookers - we can all get through all of this - be it the birth, or feeding (bf or not) or just anything. Look how much we know between us - collectively we can achieve ANYTHING.

And first on the list is to get wee Farley home.

I might crack out the brooking Pom Poms that have been gathering dust....

GenericDietCola · 05/01/2012 22:01

Just nipping in to brook for Hawthers and miniH - come on baby, get well soon. X

DreamingOfAWhiteChristmas · 05/01/2012 22:03

scarlet, that sounds really tough. I think it can be very hard to get started- no-one thinks it's easy at first!!! I think I was lucky, as though I was traumatised by the surgery afterwards, and being stuck flat with a catheter in, unable to pick up DD myself, tried but had had a big bleed and nearly fainted with DD in my arms but another new mum in the ward shouted the mw who grabbed dd.... I got very upset on the ward after DH had left that night and a lovely midwife came and said she was too busy then but would come back later and make DD latch on, as she hadn't fed either. She didn't end up coming back for hours and hours, but she did come, and persevered with me, and it made a huge difference. Then DD would only latch on and feed from the left... again, next night (DD was discharged but I wasn't) same nice mw said she'd help, but she was too busy, but I think I just got lucky as suddenly DD latched on and fed, and fed non-stop for 4 hours (cue more exhausted and sore tears for me and nice mw came and said reassuring things...)

purple, is there anything specific for bf multiples? While I fed DD ok, the one hold I could never do was the rugby ball, which apparently is crucial to tandem feed... Can I get any specific twin support? Is that possible? And how would I find that bit out? (sorry for 10,000 questions)

I'm thinking of you hawthers, and poor little mini-hawthers. xxx

DreamingOfAWhiteChristmas · 05/01/2012 22:04

p.s. biscuits, I will join you with the pom poms if necessary but my goodness, it won't be pretty....

scarletfingernail · 05/01/2012 22:08

Hi Generic I was thinking about you on Tuesday (I read your update on the rat smacking thread about having to go in for an ERPC Sad) but didn't get chance to post. I hope it went as well as it could and that you're being well looked after.

fishcakefoxtrot · 05/01/2012 22:12

Hawthers lots of brooking for you here. It sounds so frightening. Really hope he makes a quick recovery and you can get back to newborn snuggles super fast.

Too DH and I were in tears at OBEM too, just as we were watching a film trailer recently. Definitely won't be getting that one out.

So exciting to think that you have a definite date, and that really isn't far away!

Glad to hear your scan went well, wants. Those nappies look good. We mostly went with sized because of DD being so wee- the one size ones were massive on her! I really like the Itti Bittis too, not least because they look so cute!

Ninja thanks for the scarf link Grin It looks lovely.

We got news today that DH can start a month after my due date which is a relief. If I could have been referred from my current hospital to one there I wouldn't have been so worried but the thought that we could move at about 35 weeks and then I would have to find a GP, register and then wait to be referred to the hopsital filled me with dread- It was at 35 weeks in my pregnancy with DD when things started to go wrong and I had visions of me not getting to see anyone for fortnight or more while I navigated the system. And armed with only my handheld notes! Anyway, I don't need to worry about it now! Just moving with a newborn and DD...!

PurpleWithaBlueBun · 05/01/2012 22:21

Biscuits you only need to express if baby for whatever reason can't feed in the 'window', although it is a very useful tool throughout your breastfeeding.

Links for Dream although worth reading anyway;
ABM are usually good

This is wordy and I haven't checked all content but some ideas
Biological nurturing still applies to you and is one the comfiest positions to feed in. I reaslise it might look odd depending on the picture but the baby is held onto you by gravity and it is marvellous. Lots of videos on youtube, this is the official website but it isn't very well laid out in my opinion.

The twin mum I know best used to feed one twin and then the next rather than both together. You don't have to feed them at the same time :)
I wouldn't worry about different holds, I did cross cradle mostly and lying down. This time I will start off with Biological nurturing and then go from there. Again look at book lists on NCT, La leche league as they will be up to date and usually well written, your library might be even to get hold of them if you go in with a list of titles.

fishcakefoxtrot · 05/01/2012 22:21

Wow, I think I was really lucky with my breastfeeding support in the hospital- because of my blood pressure medication there were concerns about DD's blood sugars so I had someone come and help me/ make sure she was feeding every 4 hours for the first 24 hours. I'm not sure how confident I would have been about calling someone to help that often. This time round I feel much more ballsy and will make full use of the buzzer if needs be!

I was given this DVD, which I found helpful. It did make me a bit weepy, but I am beginning to suspect that pretty much anything will make me cry!

fishcakefoxtrot · 05/01/2012 22:25

Dream my friend who has twins mostly used the rugby ball at home, in a sort of nest of cushions, but the twin mum at breastfeeding group fed one at a time- am sure you will find something that works for you. Smile

musicalmrs · 05/01/2012 22:32

Wants, so glad you had a good scan - and that the boys were there to see it too :)

Too, congratulations on getting a date - hurrah! How lovely to know your LO's birthday already :)

Purple, thanks for all the interesting links. I'm looking forward to reading them over the weekend, to clue me up about everything.

Hawthers, brooking like mad for you and Farley. Hope he's doing a lot better now. Thinking of you.

Biscuitsandtea · 05/01/2012 22:37

Ah yes - of course Purple even better if the baby can feed themselves in those 6 hours - but I know ds showed no interest whatsoever for far longer than 6 hours! Good to have at the back of my mind that I should try to kick start things myself.

ScreamIfYouWantToGoFaster · 05/01/2012 22:45

Hawthers I'm no brooking as hard as I can for little Farley, you, and your family. That's such a stressful situation. You've safely brought Farley this far though, and he'll bounce back from this as well.

Generic I'm sorry you've had such a stressful week as well. I hope you are okay, no brooking for you as well.

Too I'm so glad you have a set date Grin Also many thanks to Fishcake for the positive cs story yesterday, that was very comforting!

All this breastfeeding talk makes it sound very difficult and complicated. I get that impression from books as well, which always start with "breastfeeding is totally natural and what your body is designed to do" but then goes on to spend half the book explaining everything you need to know to actually get it to work!! I'm intending to try breastfeeding for the first few weeks, but I have to say that this whole pregnancy experience just seems to be one long pain-fest, and I can't see myself signing up for regular voluntary pain AFTER the birth as well. If I end up with a painful (incorrect) latch, or an infection, I think I'll be off breastfeeding in the time it takes me to mix up a batch of formula!

Please feel free to ignore my pessimism ladies, I still have a hideous cough which DH's family kindly passed to me on Boxing Day, and I haven't slept at all for the last three nights. I'm on my last legs at the moment after spending 11 hours in the office on my first day back. My voice has totally gone and the hacking cough is really making my stretching pains and back pain sooooooooo much worse. Breastfeeding is clearly the best option for babies, I'm not trying to deny the science to support that fact! I'm just feeling ridiculously sorry for myself and desperately trying to focus on the earliest I can possibly go back to living a life where not every single day involves pain!

DreamingOfAWhiteChristmas · 05/01/2012 22:58

Ooh, Love the links, thanks purple . Will bookmark on laptop tmw.

too 9th March is a wonderful bday, my sister's too, Hooray for your date and good scan.

Sorry, too tired, forgotten rest...

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 06/01/2012 08:25

Just popping in to see if there was any news from Hawthers - must go to work!

pommedenoel · 06/01/2012 09:08

Scream - Don't worry, at least you're reading about bf and thinking about it. It will help you feel so much more prepared when it happens. The thing is I think if you do end up moving to formula (I did slowly from 3 weeks to 8 weeks with dd) is to avoid the terrible guilt that some people can try to install in you. Avoid the bf thread on mn completely as it makes it worse!

Loopyhasanotherbean · 06/01/2012 09:45

scream re BF'ing....i found the first couple of weeks were fine, i then got very sore and yes it was toe curling for a while, but i highly recommend getting yourselves some lansinhoh cream. It meant i could tolerate feeding through the bad patch (about a month i think) and then from then on, i can honestly say i have had no pain whatsoever, even now, when DS is 14 months and has lots of teeth. I would never condone anyone for using formula, but i really would recommend that if in your heart you want to breastfeed because you believe it's the best, that you can do it, but when they tell you at NCT etc that it only hurts if you are doing it wrong, they are talking bollocks so just ignore them! It will hurt most people (from our group of 8, not one of us escaped pain) but the pain doesn't last for long, and the lansinoh makes a big difference, and since the pain stopped, i have really enjoyed breastfeeding, as has DS. The biggest problem i know some encountered was when it hurt, they would favour using one side over the other, but this then altered their supply, and meant that in the end they had to use formula which they didn't want to do, as their one side wasn't really producing much at all, so they actually put the guilt on themselves, as they wished they'd fed through the pain.

The main thing is that your baby is well fed, so it is happy, content and thrives. Whether you do BF or bottle or combination, the end result is what counts. But if you want to BF, then get some lansinoh and be prepared that the first couple of months may not be perfect, but that the pain will go and then you will have this amazing time bonding with your baby, and it's nice knowing its something only you can do for your baby, and some people i know found it a good excuse to have a rest for a while....."i'm just going upstairs as baby needs feeding" and then watching tv whilst feeding and the post feed sleep, whilst their DH slaves away downstairs....

DeckTheHawthersWithBells · 06/01/2012 10:55

Diagnosis in - its viral memingitis. But hopefully he won't get much worse before he gets better.

scarletfingernail · 06/01/2012 11:16

Hawthers that sounds so scary. Thanks goodness though it's been diagnosed though and that he's hopefully over the worst. I can't begin to imagine what kind of night you've had, but I've been thinking about you and your little one lots. Have you got plenty of support and help with DS1?

NoMaybeAboutIt · 06/01/2012 11:26

Thinking of you Hawthers glad you have a diagnosis and that little Farley is soon on the mend x