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December 2011- over halfway there!

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sevendwarves · 07/08/2011 18:12

Welcome to the new thread ladies!

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Awomancalledhorse · 18/08/2011 16:05

Have fun getting your pedi Jomouse!
We've/I've decided against ante-natal classes, which is nice as it's one less thing to try & fit in pre baby popping. Grin

msbuggywinkle · 18/08/2011 17:06

kri5ty glad he woke up!

DD3 likes to kick me all afternoon, then has another really mad period when I'm getting the DDs to sleep. If I sleep in the wrong position, she wakes me up!

Made chocolate brownies today, and have somehow got myself into doing a 'Breast feeding and feminism' workshop at a feminist conference in a fortnight!

HoneyLovesCake · 18/08/2011 17:20

Well the sun is shining in Cornwall, actually feels like summer for once. Not that I'm really complaining but it is too hot to work so I've spent far too much time on ebay looking at baby things today which means I'll be working into the night if I want to get everything done...oh the joys of being self employed!

I'm Envy of your pedicure jomouse it's definitely getting to the point where painting my own nails is way too much of an effort.

aethelfleda · 18/08/2011 18:59

Ok, now I'm curious msbuggy - how do you breastfeed in a feminist fashion? Read "the female eunuch" during feeds? Wear a sign saying "nyah, you wimpy men can't do this"? Whisper to baby while feeding "this is female empowerment, you know..."

Or is it more to do with women feeling oppressed/disapproval while breastfeeding in public (which is a crying shame when it happens)?

DarciesmumandBump2 · 18/08/2011 19:08

Evening Ladies,

Don't like the cold weather :( I look like a smurf. (Raynards)

I'd love a pedicure but have psorisis on my feet.

Have had a good week off work with my bean & DP. DD has been soo good and we've had fun. Taking her to Arundal Wetlands Centre tomorrow morning, its a place she loves. I just hope the weather is warmer.

This time in exactly 12 months I will married Grin the countdown begins hehe.

msbuggywinkle · 18/08/2011 19:46

Well, current possible angles include...effects of not breast feeding on maternal and infant health (emphasis on unethical actions of formula companies), body ownership, effects of sexualised culture on breast feeding, oppression of women in mothering roles...and about a dozen others.

I could happily do an entire weekend...but a one hour workshop is causing me some focus related problems!

aethelfleda · 18/08/2011 20:34

Ooh, interesting. I know that there is a role for formula feeding, but I must say it makes me annoyed when the formula companies put out confusing advertising/imply that their feed is "best". Saw a so-called "followon" milk ad the other day where they had clearly bent the regulations as much as possible, used a just-about-6-month baby that they had curled up to resemble a passive newborn, specifically didnt mention that the formula advertised wasnt suitable from birth because they wanted to plug the brand...Shouted at the telly!

And the 12-month-plus "growing up milk" ads are just plain daft- milk from the cow is about 50 times cheaper and tastes better anyway!

sevensevenseven · 18/08/2011 20:35

darcies how exciting, the time will go so fast!

It's been raining here for about 5 hours solid, I'd rather that than baking hot though.

We done a pink shopping trip today. We got some bodysuits and sleepsuits, crib sheets, a sleeping bag and some chunky pink and cream wool to knit a blanket with.

sevensevenseven · 18/08/2011 20:37

aethelfleda I completely agree, I was a bit Hmm when I saw an advert for aptamil 2+ follow on milk.

LittleMissFlustered · 18/08/2011 20:51

I am a conundrum for breastfeeding counsellor types. I do it (13 months for my first, 8 months then dried up for my second) but hate hate hate every single sodding minute of it.

They get perplexed. Can't understand that I do it because some part of my brain tells me I have to because it is best and would be daft not to when I can without issues. They just cant help me get my head round the part of me that can not relax and enjoy it. Which is fine, until the health visitor spouts: well if you hate it give up because it's not as though it's any better for baby... At which point I went into brainmelt.

sevensevenseven · 18/08/2011 21:11

Sorry to hear that LMF. I didn't BF last time so waiting to see how I find it.

Is it bad that at ten past nine I want to go to bed?

aethelfleda · 18/08/2011 21:28

Nope seven, tuck yourself up with a hot chocolate!

LMF, you're not alone- not everyone enjoys breastfeeding even if they can physically do it! Chatting to my friends from DD1, it seems to vary a lot whether mums get a "happy hormone" feeling or not when they feed- some do, some don't. I must say when I've got over the ouchy nipple stage I do enjoy it, but that's not due to any deliberate choice or achievement on my part, I just seem to go moo and that's the way it goes.

I did find it was totally different with my two dDs- was a complete pig getting DD1 to latch and feed, DD2 came out and whomph, total obsessive boob suction pump. Will be interesting to see how Bump decides to play it...

msbuggywinkle · 19/08/2011 07:54

LMF Totally not alone! I can't say that I enjoy breast feeding for itself...but I do value it as I can see that it helped me bond with DD1 (forced me to keep picking her up and holding her during awful PND basically!) and the reason I decided to breast feed in the first place is that DP's family has a strong history of IBS, colitis and Chron's disease.

Now, I keep nursing DD2 because she still needs to...nursing in pregnancy is difficult, I get nursing agitation, which is a polite way of saying that I have a strong instinct to run the hell away from anyone who wants to latch on!

OiMissus · 19/08/2011 07:59

Morning ladies, how I have missed this thread! I can usually join in on my phone, but it just wasn't happening from the hotel. Anyway, Congrats aethel on the girl news. darcies - 1 year away -very exciting! Making snail costumes - I can't wait! kri5ty glad he's moving about again! I fell in Copenhagen - A real slo-mo run through the air and BANG flat on my face fall. I must have managed to twist at the last minute to protect bump, but I somehow hurt my right boob (luckily so big it took the impact!) and my shoulder. I was fine, but panicked for a day because Gingerbaby didn't seem to move very much. He's back to normal though now, and has started to dig me when I'm asleep if he's not quite comfy! It takes me AGES to get to sleep at the moment, I really don't need him starting! And, this last week, in order to get some sleep, I've gone back to sleeping on my right - does that make me bad? Is there really much more risk??!

kri5ty · 19/08/2011 08:23

darcies i have raynards too :( i had my hand warmers out this morning, and have huge fluffy socks on ... seriously its August whats going on??!
Aww no oimissus poor you :( glad gingerbaby is ok though :)

Nugget still didn't really move that much yesterday, i felt him about 4 times... but my placenta was at the front on my scan and i hadnt felt anything up until 2 weeks ago... so im guessing he has just moved back to where he was originally :)

As for BF, the idea does kind of freak me out, i am going to def give it a go, as i know how much better it is for him, and fingers crossed i can :)

kri5ty · 19/08/2011 08:24

ps oimissus i always wake up either on my back or on my right Hmm

mopsytop · 19/08/2011 08:46

Me too OiMissus, kept waking up last night either on my back or right side. I think if it was really bad your body would tell you, as mine seemed to be doing. If you sleep through no big deal I reckon. Your body would wake you otherwise I think.

sevensevenseven · 19/08/2011 08:55

Sorry about your fall oimissus, glad you and gingerbaby are ok though.

I always wake up on my back, it really seems to worry DH but as I keep pointing out I can't help it.

msbuggywinkle · 19/08/2011 08:56

For darcies and kri5ty I just wanted you to be aware of the effect Raynaud's can have on breast feeding...

"Vasospasm can also be caused by Raynaud's Phenomenon (more info here), which causes sudden vasospasms in the extremities. When nipple vasospasm is caused by Raynaud's Phenomenon (Raynaud's of the nipple), the nipple turns white, then there is usually a noticeable triphasic color change - from white to blue to red - as blood flow returns. The color change may also be biphasic - from white to blue.

Vasospasm due to Raynaud's is more likely to occur on both sides (rather than just one nipple), lasts for relatively long periods of time (rather than for a few seconds or a few minutes), and can occur during pregnancy and/or at times unrelated to feeding. Vasospasms may also occur in fingers or toes. Cold typically triggers the vasospasm and/or makes it worse. Nipple trauma (and other causes of compression blanching or vasospasm) can exacerbate the problem. Raynaud?s phenomenon may recur with subsequent pregnancies/breastfeeding, so be prepared to seek treatment quickly if you have experienced this in the past.

Per Anderson et al, "Because the breast pain associated with Raynaud?s phenomenon is so severe and throbbing, it is often mistaken for Candida albicans [yeast] infection. It is not unusual for mothers who have Raynaud?s phenomenon of the nipple to be treated inappropriately and often repeatedly for C albicans infections with topical or systemic antifungal agents."

Keep in mind that Raynaud's is not caused by breastfeeding (anyone might have it) -- it simply has the potential to affect breastfeeding. For example, any person might have inverted nipples, which might or might not affect a mother's breastfeeding relationship (as this can make latching or sore nipples more of a challenge in the beginning). Raynaud's works the same way - anyone might have it coming into breastfeeding, and it might (or might not) affect the breastfeeding relationship if the vasospasms are triggered by bad latch, a sudden temperature change as baby unlatches, etc.

Some maternal medications have been associated with vasospasm, including oral contraceptives. Fibromyalgia, rheumatologic diseases (eg, systemic lupus erythematosus or rheumatoid arthritis), endocrine diseases (eg, hypothyroidism or carcinoid), and prior breast surgery have also been associated with Raynaud?s phenomenon. Some sources indicate that the antifungal medication fluconazole may be associated with vasospasm, although the manufacturer does not report this as a known complication of fluconazole use. Other sources feel that vasospasms experienced by mothers taking fluconazole are a result of nipple pain/trauma due to thrush (and not due to the medication used to treat the thrush).

Treatment options for vasospasm

Avoid cold. Apply dry heat to the breast when needed (this relaxes the "cramping" blood vessels). Some mothers benefit from keeping the entire body warm (warm clothing, warm room, wrap up in a blanket, etc.)
Cover the nipple as soon as possible after baby comes off the breast. Some moms say that it is helpful use a wool breast pad or a soft cloth diaper.
Apply dry heat immediately after breastfeeding. A rice sock can be useful as a source of dry heat: Fill a sock or a cloth bag with uncooked rice and microwave 45 seconds (or until desired warmth is achieved); hold the rice sock against the nipple (over the cloth or mom's shirt) until blood flow resumes.
Avoid caffeine, nicotine and other vasoconstrictive drugs, as they can precipitate symptoms.
Ibuprofen.
Dietary supplementation with calcium/magnesium.
Dietary supplementation with vitamin B6.
Low dose oral nifedipine." from KellyMom.com

More links...

Vasospasm

Reynauds

kri5ty · 19/08/2011 09:17

msbuggy thank you for that info... i now have it saved :) its good to know, so that if we do experience it, we know it isnt a yeast infection :)

and the rice sock tip is brill, i usually just use the chemical handwarmers and water bottles, but they are soooo small... i will dig a knee high sock out from somewhere to fill up!!

you really are a godsend!!

LittleMissFlustered · 19/08/2011 09:46

Wheat bags are good too, same principal:) When we moved into our house, which has only one gas fire for heating, my best friend's mum made the three of us monster wheat bags out of denim. We love them! They make winter more bearable, and the big square one is wonderful for back pain.

mopsytop · 19/08/2011 11:23

Thanks for that msbuggy - I also get the freezing fingers/toes and my mum has Reynaud's pretty bad (her fingers go white to the knuckle when it's cold so I suspect I have inherited) so that info may be really useful for me too!

kri5ty · 19/08/2011 12:00

It is sooo quiet in work i have been looking for pregnancy massage :)
(it must have been all the pedicure talk!!)

I have found one and i am soooo tempted to book! hmmm to treat myself, or not to treat myself lol

sevensevenseven · 19/08/2011 12:03

kri5ty go for it!

Hope everyone is having a good day, I've spent the morning cleaning and making bats with DS, should really be getting the nursery ready for painting next week.

HoneyLovesCake · 19/08/2011 12:22

:( :( :( I'm having one of those days!!!!

DP was being completely selfish this morning; whinging about something so stupid it's not even worth going into....stupidly I thought we'd agreed that when we decided to have kids he'd stop behaving like one Angry

And now I've just received an email from the hypnobirthing lady who I contacted over a month ago. I had heard nothing back so I thought I'd chase her this week...she replied to say my availability didn't fit in with anyone else but maybe she could fit me in for a private course as she's getting really booked up now. I'm really irritated as I get the feeling she wasn't even going to contact me if I hadn't chased her. Shouldn't she have given me the option to fit in with other people? She's the only one who does it down here so I have to be nice but I just feel like crying this morning...bloody hormones!!!

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