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My good friend died in the night. I want to help however I can. What will her husband want?

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Spidermama · 03/06/2009 20:24

No-one knows yet why she died. She was so fit and full of life. She had so much to look forward to.

I want to know how someone can just die like that in the night?

She and her husband have three boys aged 10,7 and 4.

She absolutely doted on them. I've posted a card through the door saying call me if you need any help with anything.

Is there anything else I can do. I'm assuming he won't want me calling yet. I knew her far better than I know him.

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thumbwitch · 04/06/2009 00:20

so for you SM - and for your friend's family.

I think everyone has said the best things to do but I would add this: say to him that he can call you ANY TIME, night or day (if you can cope with that). Although it is different, when both me and my sister were left suddenly by our partners, having someone you could phone at 2/3am, when things are just too horrendous for words, was extremely comforting. I had her and friends who did it for me, she had me - it was only a couple of times that we needed to do it but it made a hell of a difference.

It might turn out that she had a pulmonary embolism - they are quick and painless and often have no prior symptoms. But it might be something else entirely. I hope they find something in the PM for everyone's sake but it is likely that your friend didn't suffer in any way.

dreamylady · 04/06/2009 00:34

what Dadinsteadofmum said - you have lots of memories of your friend that will be very precious to her family, especially as the boys get older. Preserving and sharing them - maybe now, maybe as years go by, might be the biggest thing you can do. You can help keep her real too - remember the great things about her as well as the quirky and infuriating ones - it can be frustrating when people deify lost loved ones.

My father died when I was very young, and I wish i knew more of the inconsequential stuff - what music he liked, what TV and books, what made him laugh, what was he good at/bad at. If you know these things you can be a bridge to her for her sons as they get older.

If you were close then the boys might know you well? I differ with earlier poster who thinks your friend's husband wouldn't appreciate it if they could spend time with you. When my dp's wife died his 'dd free' weekends helped keep him sane - the overwhelming responsibility was a big thing for him to face.

Maybe you could offer a regular ongoing thing? eg do any of the boys have out of school activities you could take them to each week? or sweep/hoover once a week. If you live nearby, offer to be the 'emergency pint of milk/ cans of lager / fish and chips getter' at night when all the boys are in bed - or be the extra pair of hands for changing the duvet cover so he feels less trapped and alone.
The practical things are the ones that get you when you're suddenly on your own - but i think try to be specific and offer to do certain things.

My best friend died young too, though of cancer so we were more 'prepared'. It was hard, give yourself time to grieve too and get lots of love and hugs from someone close.

Your friend would be glad to know you were looking out for them all [hug] and it will help you get through it to know what a good friend you can carry on being even though she's gone.

Lemonylemon · 04/06/2009 10:46

I'd like to second everything that Dadinstead says. When I was suddenly widowed, it felt like I'd been hit round the head with a baseball bat and all sense knocked out of me. It's only now that I've climbed out of the goblin pit, as we call it, and it's been nearly 2 years for me.

Your friend's husband will want to talk about your friend and not have it all swept under the carpet. Don't worry about upsetting him by talking about your friend - he will cry, but it's a good thing. People sometimes don't talk about the person who has died for fear of upsetting the widow/er - it doesn't work like that. Talk as much as he feels like, in a funny way, it makes the person who has died, a bit closer.

Stigaloid · 04/06/2009 10:55

So terribly sorry for your loss. You sound like an amazing friend and I am sure your friend would be so grateful for your concern and help in her fmaily's difficult time.

princessmel · 04/06/2009 10:55

So sorry SM. How terribly sad for everyone involved

Spidermama · 04/06/2009 14:55

Thumbwitch that's a really good idea. Thanks. As a night owl, I really think I can provide this service if he can make use of it. I'm giving it a few days then I'll pop round there to see them all.

At the moment we all want to know what on earth could have happened that such a fit, lively and fantastic woman could just 'not wake up' one morning.

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Spidermama · 04/06/2009 14:59

dreamlady I presented a radio show with her. It was community radio and she was the one who got us a slot. We had all sorts of great guests on and played music which we both brought in. I'm trying now to get the radio station in question to record any of our shows which still exist (stupidly we didn't record any because we thought it would roll on and on ).

Anyway if I can get some of our shows preserved on disc it might be a way of bringing her to life now and again for her boys when they're ready.

The four year old will barely remember her. She loved her boys so much.

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Spidermama · 04/06/2009 15:04

Lemonylemon can I ask how long it has been for you now?

Also on a very practical level, how long should I leave it to go round there? Although I knew Sarah very well I only met her dh three times so I think there will be closer friends already around for a bit. Perhaps I should wait a week??

I really want to go and see them all, but also want to do what's best for them iyswim.

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ilovesprouts · 04/06/2009 15:11

so

DadInsteadofMum · 04/06/2009 16:10

SM - it has been a year for me, we are surviving.

One of the nicest things one of my DW's friends did was make up a scrapbook of happy stories and memories of her and DW, so things that wouldn't be a direct memory for me or the kids.

My DD often reads it to herself when she is feeling down.

Don't be afraid to go and see, if he doesn't want to see anybody then you will probably meet a gatekeeper, make the offer to take washing, do food whatever to the gatekeeper, that said there will be loads of offers of help right now, the appreciated help are those that are still helping two weeks or two months after the funeral.

Spidermama · 04/06/2009 18:46

I'll collect our radio shows in that case.

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dreamylady · 04/06/2009 20:53

tell him you're going to get the shows (if you're confident you'll get them) but maybe don't actually give them for a good while.

If you're one of S's closest friends then maybe its your job to build a friendship with him so you can stay connected to the boys. But play it by ear and give it time.

I hope you're doing ok. you must be feeling unreal right now. give yourself some tlc this weekend.

onlyjoking9329 · 04/06/2009 21:15

so very sorry to hear about the death of your friend.
when somebody dies often people keep away cos they think that the family need space/privacy i din't find that to be true and i was hurt by the people who kept away, the people who still haven't been in touch almost a year after my husband died, i have been surprised where some of the support has come from, people who we knew but not that well have now become much closer and it has balanced out with the people we lost along the way.
please talk about your friend, give him the opportunity to talk about her as there will be lots of people who wont allow him to just talk.
make sure that you find someone that you can talk to about the loss of your friend.

this is an article that i and many others have found helpful.........

HOW YOU CAN HELP ME

Please talk about my loved one, even though he is gone. It is more
comforting to cry than to pretend that he never existed. I need to talk
about him, and I need to do it over and over.

Be patient with my agitation. Nothing feels secure in my world. Get
comfortable with my crying. Sadness hits me in waves, and I never know
when my tears may flow. Just sit with me in silence and hold my hand.

Don't abandon me with the excuse that you don't want to upset me. You
can't catch my grief. My world is painful, and when you are too afraid
to call me or visit or say anything, you isolate me at a time when I
most need to be cared about. If you don't know what to say, just come
over, give me a hug or touch my arm, and gently say, "I'm sorry." You
can even say, "I just don't know what to say, but I care, and want you
to know that."

Just because I look good does not mean that I feel good. Ask me how I
feel only if you really have time to find out.

I am not strong. I'm just numb. When you tell me I am strong, I feel
that you don't see me.

I will not recover. This is not a cold or the flu. I'm not sick. I'm
grieving and that's different. My grieving may only begin 6 months after
my loved one's death. Don't think that I will be over it in a year. For
I am not only grieving his death, but also the person I was when I was
with him, the life that we shared, the plans we had for watching our
children and grandchildren grow, the places we will never get to go together, and the
hopes and dreams that will never come true. My whole world has crumbled
and I will never be the same.

I will not always be grieving as intensely, but I will never forget my
loved one and rather than recover, I want to incorporate his life and
love into the rest of my life. He is a part of me and always will be,
and sometimes I will remember him with joy and other times with a tear.
Both are okay.

I don't have to accept the death. Yes, I have to understand that it has
happened and it is real, but there are some things in life that are just
not acceptable.

When you tell me what I should be doing, then I feel even more lost and
alone. I feel badly enough that my loved one is dead, so please don't
make it worse by telling me I'm not doing this right.

Please don't tell me I can find someone else or that I need to start
dating again. I'm not ready. And maybe I don't want to. And besides,
what makes you think people are replaceable? They aren't. Whoever comes
after will always be someone different.

I don't even understand what you mean when you say, "You've got to get
on with your life." My life is going on, I've been forced to take on
many new responsibilities and roles. It may not look the way you think
it should. This will take time and I will never be my old self again. So
please, just love me as I am today, and know that with your love and
support, the joy will slowly return to my life. But I will never forget
and there will always be times that I cry.

I need to know that you care about me. I need to feel your touch, your
hugs. I need you just to be with me, and I need to be with you. I need
to know you believe in me and in my ability to get through my grief in
my own way, and in my own time.

Please don't say, "Call me if you need anything." I'll never call you
because I have no idea what I need. Trying to figure out what you could
do for me takes more energy than I have. So, in advance, let me give you
some ideas:

(a) Bring food or a movie over to watch together.
(b) Send me a card on special holidays, his birthday, and the
anniversary of his death, and be sure to mention his name. You can't
make me cry. The tears are here and I will love you for giving me the
opportunity to shed them because someone cared enough about me to reach
out on this difficult day.
(c) Ask me more than once to join you at a movie or lunch or dinner. I
may so no at first or even for a while, but please don't give up on me
because somewhere down the line, I may be ready, and if you've given up
then I really will be alone.
(d) Understand how difficult it is for me to be surrounded by couples,
to walk into events alone, to go home alone, to feel out of place in the same situations where I used to feel so comfortable.

Please don't judge me now - or think that I'm behaving strangely.
Remember I'm grieving. I may even be in shock. I am afraid. I may feel
deep rage. I may even feel guilty. But above all, I hurt. I'm
experiencing a pain unlike any I've ever felt before and one that can't
be imagined by anyone who has not walked in my shoes.

Don't worry if you think I'm getting better and then suddenly I seem to
slip backward. Grief makes me behave this way at times. And please don't
tell me you know how I feel, or that it's time for me to get on with my
life. What I need now is time to grieve.

Most of all thank you for being my friend. Thank you for your patience.
Thank you for caring. Thank you for helping, for understanding. Thank
you for praying for me.

And remember in the days or years ahead, after your loss - when you need
me as I have needed you - I will understand. And then I will come and be
with you.

Spidermama · 04/06/2009 22:16

Thanks so much OJ. This is really helpful.

Funnily enough I've been drawn back to Mumsnet because I remember being moved by the experiences of you and MartianBishop and Evenstar and others.

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busybeingmum · 04/06/2009 22:32

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onlyjoking9329 · 04/06/2009 23:56

i often post that peice as it is so very helpful to read and to give to other people who want to help but dont know how to.

Spidermama · 05/06/2009 11:17

It's such a useful piece. I have copied into my documents to distribute if needed in the future.

How are things going now for you OJ?

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noddyholder · 05/06/2009 11:50

oh spider that is awful.Hope you have lots of support yourself.Let me know if you need anything even a chatSo so sorry for them all xx

Spidermama · 05/06/2009 12:47

Thanks Noddy.

There'a a memorial at the school for her next week. It sounds mad but I'm really keen to go and be around people who knew and loved her. Not many of my friends knew her. I'm thinking about her so much and I feel pretty lonely in my grief at the moment.

Is it usual to find out exactly what happened to someone in cases like this? Will they be able to work it out do you think?

The mystery element is making it harder to make sense of because she was so gorgeously fit and healthy and loving.

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Lemonylemon · 05/06/2009 13:13

Spidermama

Sorry, I didn't reply to you sooner. It's been 22 months for us now.

What Dadinstead and Onlyjoking have said is very true. Don't stay away from your friend's widower - I found people's staying away so hurtful. My 3 best friends and my family all stayed away and I found that so shocking. It was people from work who rallied round and sent cards, phoned up, came to visit etc. It doesn't matter if you didn't know her widower very well - it's the reaching out that's the important thing. Talking to her widower will help you too because it's a grief shared....

You mention the mystery element making it harder - well, that's sudden death for you - it really just doesn't seem to make any sense, and probably never will, that's the really sad thing about it - no answers to your questions. Hope that you're as OK as you can be at this time, though.

noddyholder · 05/06/2009 13:29

If it was something obviously medical like an underlying heart problem they will probably find it..I understand you feeling lonely at a time like this Only you feel the way you do no one can really empathise.Be kind to yourself and be led by what you feel generally we all instinctively know what to do at times like this.Don't force yourself to do anything.I am thinking of you

hairycaterpillar · 05/06/2009 17:05

Spidermama so sorry to hear your news. I too heard today of the death of a friend aged 35yrs only 3 weeks after rejoicing over the birth of her 3rd child. I like you am shocked and devastated, she too like your friend was totally fit and healthy.

This thread has helped especially your post onlyjoking so thank you.

Spidermama · 05/06/2009 17:17

Hairycaterpillar I'm so sorry. That's terrible. What a cruel thing to happen so soon after the joy of having a baby.

I feel so bad for the children they've left behind.

I've been talking to my sister in law who lost her mum when she was ten through pre eclampsia. It remains such a big thing in her life.

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Spidermama · 05/06/2009 17:32

Where do you live HC?
It's astonishing this has happened to the friends of two mumsnetters in the space of 24 hours isn't it?

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