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Skipping the crem

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Forestmumlondon · 15/03/2025 22:05

Some advice needed please. My dad is suggesting we do church service and then straight to the wake. We are planning cremation but he doesn't want anyone actually going there because he says we're doing the service at the church and doesn't want to complicate things.

I know hardly anything about funerals. But I feel like it would be good for close family to go to the crem and then meet everyone later at the wake?

Am I crazy for digging my heals in about this? He can be quite manipulative and so far has tried, gaslighting - making me feel silly for thinking it's a big deal, guilt - apparently I'm going to ruin the day if I go on my own the crem (because he absolutely does not want to go), as well as trying to twist it many different ways.

I just can not imagine sending my mum off on her own to the crem while we all head off to a party?

We don't have the death certificate yet and he says we shouldn't arrange appointment at funeral directors until we do. I feel like it would be good to see a FD asap just to talk through options, but should we wait for the certificate?

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Sminty2 · 16/03/2025 14:46

Forestmumlondon · 15/03/2025 22:28

I think this is probably a big part of it.

For him the ashes don't mean anything (fair enough) and it's the service / celebration of her life that has the meaning.

But still.. on the day do you think we'd / others would feel bad about not going to the crem with her?

Really small close family so wouldn't be many of us at that part.

I don't really care either way of my dad comes, but he is saying he doesn't want me to go either. And I'm finding it hard to decide if I'm arguing against it just for the sake of it. Or whether wanting to go with her is a fair enough ask...

I think that if you want to go to the cremation first, then you should. We all need to say goodbye in our own way, to deal with it.
Perhaps say that for you, it’s an important part of the process that you need to do and understand if he doesn’t want to. Families don’t have to agree all the time but they should recognize that this matters to you both, equally but differently.
She is your mum, as well as his wife but you all love her x

user2848502016 · 16/03/2025 15:14

Every funeral I’ve been to has had either everyone in the crem or church service then close family following to the crem then meeting everyone else at the wake. She’s your mum if you want to go with her to the crem I don’t see how your Dad can stop you x

thesandwich · 16/03/2025 15:21

I am sorry for your loss.🌺Your funeral director will have seen all this before- they may help you come up with a plan to suit you both.

MagicalMystical · 16/03/2025 15:59

Someone may have suggested this option to you already, but how about asking funeral director if you can do cremation after the funeral?

My dad passed away a few months ago and after discussing all options with funeral director, this is what mum and I decided.

Maybe you and your dad would be happier with that? In this model, you could have your mum in her coffin at the funeral service (this is what we did) and then have her taken away in a hearse. Then you all go on to the wake (we actually had service and wake in same location). The cremation could then be the following morning and this could be a direct cremation with you meeting the hearse there to say your last goodbyes privately without your dad feeling any drama was being created. You’re not allowed inside but if the funeral director is happy to do so, you would get a few minutes to say your last goodbyes before they take her in. You could then spend some time in the garden of remembrance whilst the cremation takes place.

Just wanted you to have other options to consider. I’m sorry for your loss ❤️ 💐

Fluffythefish · 16/03/2025 16:18

I'm so sorry to hear about your mum's death. When I was a Minister in the South West it was common for the funeral to be in church and no-one to go to the crematorium. A lot of that was to do with being practical - by the time you got back from the really long round trip all of the other mourners would have gone and that support (and tea and cake) is really important.
One family decided to have the cremation next day and the adult children, but not the husband were there. I like that idea.
Committals at the crematorium are really short following a church service as most of what needs to happen and be said has been done but they can still be a good marker.
For my parents we went with cremation first. there were some practical reasons, including how far the crem was from their church, but also it means that you can have a time to be sad/say your goodbyes that is fairly private. The thanksgiving service that followed was full of joy - and we didn't have to watch the clock to make sure we did not miss our slot at the crematorium. Each time we took the big funeral flowers to the church and made sure there were lots of large photos of the person who had died to make up for there not being a coffin.

LuckysDadsHat · 16/03/2025 16:27

You could do the crem first and then have a service of thanksgiving at the church afterwards and straight on to the wake. That is becoming a lot more popular with the funerals I have attended in the past 15 years.

I prefer it this way round as if I am perfectly honest I get distracted by the coffin in the church service if it is before the crew. With my Nan I can just remember the coffin and nothing else about the service.

I am so sorry for the loss of your Mum xxxx

TwentyKittens · 16/03/2025 16:32

Forestmumlondon · 15/03/2025 22:16

He said to me you won't actually see the coffin being cremated, it will go round the back etc,.so what's the point. But still I'd like to accompany it on the journey there... He is being very clear that he doesn't want any kind of service there.

He did a lot of caring for her, so at first I said whatever you want you can choose, but I feel quite strongly about it and am sick of him being so controlling!?

It happened less than a week ago (and was sudden) so my head is a bit all over the place. Hence the need for check I'm not going mad.

Ask if the funeral directors do an attended direct cremation. If so, you will be able to accompany your mum in, and be with her for a few minutes to say goodbye xx

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 16/03/2025 16:37

I’ve only ever been to a couple of funerals which didn’t wholly take place at a crematorium. In both cases only very close family went on to the cremation / burial after the church service. Majority of guests carried on to the reception/wake and family arrived very soon afterwards so I assume that the commital/burial part was very brief.

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 16/03/2025 16:40

I’m so sorry @Forestmumlondon, I forgot to say sorry for your loss.

artfuldodgerjack · 16/03/2025 16:40

Why can’t the service be done at the crem by a vicar? Or has he paid for a direct cremation and so the body might not be doing to the crem after the church service at all?

TodoIncluido · 16/03/2025 17:07

Forestmumlondon · 15/03/2025 22:28

I think this is probably a big part of it.

For him the ashes don't mean anything (fair enough) and it's the service / celebration of her life that has the meaning.

But still.. on the day do you think we'd / others would feel bad about not going to the crem with her?

Really small close family so wouldn't be many of us at that part.

I don't really care either way of my dad comes, but he is saying he doesn't want me to go either. And I'm finding it hard to decide if I'm arguing against it just for the sake of it. Or whether wanting to go with her is a fair enough ask...

You don't need anyone's permission to attend the crematorium. If your Dad doesn't want to go then that's his choice and he's entitled to do what he feels best, but the same applies to you. Make your own decisions, regardless of what your Dad wants. I personally think he's being very selfish. Don't have any any regrets OP, they'll only cause heartache and resentment.

HenDoNot · 16/03/2025 17:12

I would feel quite strongly about this and would be telling my dad “you do what you want to, but I’m going with mum to the crematorium”.

And I’d be quite prepared to deal with any fallout from that.

I’m sorry for your loss.

Newbie5652 · 16/03/2025 17:13

I would feel like you op. I'd want to go with my mum and drop her off. Say goodbye. I wouldn't want her to go by herself.

I hope you can work something out x

0ctavia · 16/03/2025 17:21

LuckysDadsHat · 16/03/2025 16:27

You could do the crem first and then have a service of thanksgiving at the church afterwards and straight on to the wake. That is becoming a lot more popular with the funerals I have attended in the past 15 years.

I prefer it this way round as if I am perfectly honest I get distracted by the coffin in the church service if it is before the crew. With my Nan I can just remember the coffin and nothing else about the service.

I am so sorry for the loss of your Mum xxxx

I agree with this. It’s often a very short commital at the crem, attended by only immediate family. Then a much larger and more cheerful service at the church, which is a celebration of the persons life.

It’s much easier for the family as the hardest part is the commital of the body, so it gets that done first, rather than spending the whole day dreading it.

And there’s no herse/ coffin / funeral directors at the church, so it’s much nicer.

When we did this for our son’s funeral we had the crem first thing, then went home for lunch and a rest before going to the church service about 3pm.

Forestmumlondon · 16/03/2025 17:57

We want the service at church, as it was meaningful place for my mum.

Thanks everyone. I think it sounds like a compromise can be reached. Direct unattended cremation, either the next day, or in the morning (before church) potentially...

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PrettayGood · 16/03/2025 18:01

Funerals are much less prescribed than they used to be. Direct cremations are growing in popularity as are other non-standard ways of doing it.

My husband’s great aunt died at Christmas. She had a short crematorium service immediately followed by a more traditional funeral at a church, minus the coffin. Only her 2 daughters went to the crem bit. It was much nicer (everyone agreed) than having a coffin in the church.

Marshbird · 16/03/2025 18:35

Forestmumlondon · 15/03/2025 22:16

He said to me you won't actually see the coffin being cremated, it will go round the back etc,.so what's the point. But still I'd like to accompany it on the journey there... He is being very clear that he doesn't want any kind of service there.

He did a lot of caring for her, so at first I said whatever you want you can choose, but I feel quite strongly about it and am sick of him being so controlling!?

It happened less than a week ago (and was sudden) so my head is a bit all over the place. Hence the need for check I'm not going mad.

Some people can’t handle seeing the commital. I guess that’s him. He just wants the service and then the meet-up. Don’t try to persuade him otherwise.

BUT, you also need to gently point out that you had your own relationship with your mum, you are not an extension of his thoughts and feelings, and your thoughts and feelings around how you process your mums death are equally valid and important, and unique to you. Hold your ground, be gently insistent.

talk to the FD and arrange to attend the cremation. What you “have” at crem is going to dependant on what you want, in terms of religious commital or no ceremony at all. FD can tlak about options- they’ve seen it all before and usually really helpful at suggesting options.

to a certain extent I’d try to respect Dads wishes by saying it is private commital at crem, and then either go on your own or with others very close to your mum like siblings, aunts/uncle or a close best friend of your mums, or a friend of yours that had known your mum well. Keep it short, simple and small. BUT if you don’t stick to your guns here you’ll regret it. I know that from my dad taking lead and not listening to anyone else’s needs for mums funeral- he started dating a new partner just 6 weeks later.

when dad died last year, his partner (in fairness of 20 years by then) didn’t want a church service despite dad being Christian. We bent over backwards trying to reach compromise with her and each other, we all had different needs to begin to process our loss. We had a very private Cof E commital at crem chapel with just us siblings and dads partner. Non of us wanted to see dad’s body whisked away behind the curtain, so we left the chapel with his coffin sitting there. It actually was very peaceful, simple. Ven his partner, who didn’t think she could face seeing the coffin, was glad she had managed it, and whilst obviously upset, felt it was something dad would have wanted, and fitted his faith.

we then, at his partners wishes, had a “celebration of life” around a week later with friends and extended family as a formal sit down lunch. I had my doubts re formality of it all….But it actually was probably the best lunch and “do” he never went to…we all felt it was a shame he missed it! We put on a display of his stuff, photos, music he liked, and it was very much a celebration.

by compromising, binning rules and listening to each other, it met everyone’s needs and we all felt we’d had chance to remember dad in our different ways, and do our own thing.

with elderly parents dying, that’s so important. A lot of people say spouses views must be prioritised. But the adult children are also grieving and all too often have to fall in with surviving parent, with unhappy results. By the time we loose elderly parents, we are often older ourselves, with fully formed adult relationships with our parents.

I think with male spouses particualrly, they aren’t always good at involving others and taking others needs into account. Let’s face it, Men like my dad very often find new partners quite fast, but as daughters (if we had close mum and daughter bond) we never replace our mum and sometimes the loss actually is felt more as time passes. Not all men. But the stats add up that men generally move on much faster than women, to a new intimate relationship. Some dads are pretty blind to their own daughter’s grief and the special mum and daughther relationship that might exist, that they can’t get their head around.

womanjustwanttohavefun · 16/03/2025 18:37

sorry for your loss.
it’s a tough time for everyone and people act out of character due to grief. Be kind to yourself and your dad.
My dad didn’t want anyone to disappear off to the crem for his funeral. - he’d already planned what songs, readings and written a eulogy as well. Made life a lot simpler for us all!
family did the crem first and then the funeral mass was for everyone and straight to the wake.

just been to a funeral service where the crem had already taken place and the ashes were at the service ready for internment- so no coffin at the service.

what did your mum want for her funeral?

note to everyone - discuss with family what you’d like to happen after your death or write it down if you can’t discuss it and have it where it will be found after you pass.

WolfFoxHare · 16/03/2025 18:39

My SIL arranged things this way when DB died. Obviously she was next of kin and it was up to her to organise things however she wanted but I’ll never forget watching the funeral car drive away with my brother’s coffin and feeling like I wasn’t allowed to accompany him on that last journey. I’ll always regret not saying ‘I’ll meet you at the wake’ and going with him.

ADifferentSong · 16/03/2025 18:40

I think either is ok. At my mum’s funeral, the crem was about 12 miles away from the church so we just did the church and then sent her on her way to the crem. The church bit is what would have mattered to her and dad had already gone. The wake was very close to the church and we were afraid we would have missed half the people who were going to the wake. It felt too much to expect them to turn out to the crem as well, particularly as it was a Friday afternoon and people we’re going to have to fight their way home through the rush-hour.

purser25 · 16/03/2025 18:43

A lot of funerals I have been to have had a private family cremation or burial followed by a celebration of the persons life at a church after. For my Fathers funeral we were told there was no correct way to do it. We had lots of pictures of him. The Archers even got a mention! Some of them had the wake in the church hall after. One I went to this week we all had afternoon tea as the person loved an afternoon tea. I have one next week and it will be the same with a celebration of her life at the church followed by a wake at the church. This seems to be the pattern in the free church ie URC Methodist Evangelical etc.

cadburygorilla · 16/03/2025 18:51

We had crem first and then church service as it was the only way we could get the timings right with both the crem and church. My grandfather was a religous man and a big part of the church so it didn’t sit right with us that the coffin wasn’t going to be in the church service so the vicar offered to do a seperate blessing with the coffin there just for the immediate family

Namechangedasouting987 · 16/03/2025 19:36

I work for 3 churches as an administrator. There is no set way to do it, as many have said.
But it is relatively common for the deceased to go unaccompanied to the crem after a funeral in church. Often in these cases our minister will attend on the family's behalf (alth there is a small cost involved with this).
But similarly if you wish to go along to the crem that is also fine. I guess your dad may want your support at the wake, though instead.

lennonj · 16/03/2025 20:31

Just be aware that a direct cremation at the crematorium is unattended, you will not be able to go inside the chapel, you’ll need to book a committal service for this. Your dad will have to agree to you doing this as he will be the one who the funeral directors will communicate with so you cannot, as other posters have suggested, just go along to the crematorium after the church. There will be no committal booked.
Hopefully when you go to organise the funeral and everything is being discussed you and your dad will be able to go through ask your options.

Nothinglikeagoodbook · 16/03/2025 20:40

I went to a funeral recently where only close family went to the crematorium for a brief service and committal first. A couple of hours later there was a church "thanksgiving" service for whoever wanted to come, followed immediately by a wake.

I thought that was a really good way of doing it and so did everyone else I spoke to. Not disjointed at all because the really sad bit was over first and you don’t need a coffin there to be thankful for a person's life and for speakers to tell funny or heartwarming tales about them. The vicar struck just the right note.

If your father didn’t want to go to the crematorium for the committal he needn’t (though it seems odd to me).