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My parents are dead, my sister is a bitch. I am so angry

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SchroedingersCat · 14/06/2007 12:04

I have just had an argument with my sister on the telephone. Well, it was not an argument, she yelled, would not let me speak then I hung up. I am very angry, although I expected it.

This is the story. Its long I am sorry. I have changed my name, however some people might recognise this.

My mum died of aggressive ovarian cancer in Jan this year. My sister was executor, my brother and i suggested selling some items of mums that no-one wanted and splitting the proceeds between the grandchildren for their trust fund (my sister has two, my brother has two, I have one). Not talking about personal things, but things like washing machine, microwave, kettle, sofa. My sister turned went nuts, called us greedy, accused us of pouncing in the moment mum died, etc etc. Not going into all the details, but lets say she was extremely nasty, vicious and ignored my brother completely at mum's funeral, and refused to go to his wedding two weeks later even tho he tried to hand out the olive branch, got her husband to call and leave him an answer machine message telling him they were ill, refused to talk to me.

One call since, on her birthday when I called her to say happy birthday, she returned my call.

Then, a few weeks ago, she leaves an answer machine message telling me that my father, whom I did not know, has died and she was acting as executor. In reality this meant not very much as he was found with no addresses in his house or will and by the time they traced my sister all the details had been arranged, and the wake was organised by the pub where he drank (alcoholic) which she was not going to as she had a meeting at her sons school which she was not prepared to cancel. Anyway, I spoke to her twice about this, said I doubted veyr much that I would be going as I did not know him, she said it was up to me but felt it was a long way to go (devon to London) for 15 mins and a person I did not know, she said she would not be offended, and did not mind either way if I went or not, my other brothers were not going either. Her attitude was blase, offhand and she pressed the point of me not going, made it clear she did not really want me there.

Anyway, I made the decision after much soul searching, not to go, not because of my sister, but because of decisions around my own emotions, my lack of relationship to my father etc.

I did not call my sister to tell her I was not going, as I had already made it clear I was not going. She did not call me either.

I phoned her today, to try to arrange scattering my mum's ashes at Glastonbury, did not get as far as talking about it. My sister said immediately before anything else, I thought you were going to let me know about not going to dad's funeral? I told her that I thought I had, she became very angry and said you did not, then went into how I should have supported her as I knew she was organising it, I should have been there for moral support, I did not even send her a card (hmm]. I told her that as far as I was concerned I had told her I was not going and if she misunderstood that I was going to call on the day then I apologise (i was trying hard not to be inflammatory). I also said I got the impression she was not bothered whether I turned up or not, had not considered it that important to herself either and any lack of contact from her too made me feel it was not necessary to call her.

She said, I dont care, BUT HE WAS YOUR FATHER [shouting in intimidating manner emoticon] and that I should have shown more care and consideration that if he was someone from my work. I said that biologically yes, but I did not know him, she yelled more at me about me caring more about my friends, would not allow me to say that yes I do care more about my friends than my dad because they are there for me and I know them. Went on to say loads of stuff about how the trouble with people these days is everything has to fit around them and no-one cares about important things, very patronising, sort of a monologue to herself really.

She said again that I should have been there for moral support, and I told her that she should think about what moral support means, given that she promised me and mum she would look out for me (youngest with a baby), and where has her contact been in the last 5 months, that she had made some very nasty and viscious comments about mine and my brothers apparant greed and did she think this was being supportive?

She then shouted the rest of her stuff, I did not get to say anything else at all, she said that did I not think selling mum's stuff at a bootfair was not being greedy, and lots of other stuff, Yelling louder and louder the more I tried to say something. In the end I told her as she was not prepared to listen to me I was not prepared to let her finish her rant and hung up.

I was upset as I did not get to talk about mum's ashes, so I called back, and left a calm polite message saying that I am sorry she still felt I was greedy and only after money, but I was not prepared to listen to her yelling at me about it right now, that I had in fact called as I wanted to talk to the family about scattering mums ashes soon, and could she call me to talk about this, I was not prepared to talk about anyhing else right now. No response. Of course. I was not really expecting one.

I am just soooooo angry, upset, and well, incensed that she is such a bitch. I mean that in the literal sense, not in the nasty need something to call her sense.
I cannot beleive she really thinks those things about me. I had put it down to greif initially and thought time would make her realise how horrid she has been.

She is the most unkind, viscious, spiteful person I know, and I feel guilty for thinking it or saying it, but I just cannot get away from the fact that this is true.

Wow, long, like I said. Sorry. I needed to get it all out.

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SchroedingersCat · 14/06/2007 12:04

Really. I do not expect anyone to read this!!!
I just needed to write it all down. And feel someone would listen I guess.

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Kewcumber · 14/06/2007 12:08

I do remember your earlier thread but I can;t remember what you said your relationship was like before - has it all deteriorated since your mum's death? Or was she alwyas like. People can get unreasonably angry when they are grieving (really furiously angry!).

LilRedWobblyGut · 14/06/2007 12:08

I've read it and am for you. Don't really know what to say, but wanted you to know that you are been listened to.

CarGirl · 14/06/2007 12:10

I think your sis is not coping and ranting at herself and you got the back lash. Hugs.

Whoooosh · 14/06/2007 12:10

Sorry I have no advice but I have three sisters like yours-I do my best to avoid them.

So sorry for the loss of your Mum-it is the hardest thing to go through whatever your age.

If you can,keep your distance,she is clearly in the wrong and needs to apologise.If she doesn't and contact wains-you have lost nothing except a problem.

As for the ashes-I would make arrangements with your brothers,inform your sister of where and when and then it is up to her is she attends (am assuming you have the ashes,not her).

Good luck.

flossie64 · 14/06/2007 12:12

Im have just read it and I fully understand why you are so angry.
I have 2 sisters , 1 is lovely and really trys to keep everything together , and 1 who I would not be sorry if I never had anything to do with again.
As I have said to anyone who knows me , her head is so far up her backside she may never see daylight again.
I'm afriad in this world there are people who are reasonable and others who just live in their own self obsessed worlds ,. I say let her stew and live your own life , she will be the one who ends up worrying about it.
God it feels good to have a rant ,doesn't it

moopymoo · 14/06/2007 12:12

have listened too. feel on your behalf.

SchroedingersCat · 14/06/2007 12:14

My relationship with my sister has always been strained I guess. Well it has always been fine as long as I (or the rest of the family) do not disagree with her, or piss her off. I had, just before my mum was diagnosed with cancer, written a letter to my sister after a further telephone argument. She has always had the habit of avoiding telephone calls and leaving shitty messages on the voicemail, she told me mum passed away by leaving me a message. Luckily, a did not listen to it as she phoned at 3am so I just called her straight back, but my DP heard it and was furious that she did it like that (he did not tell me that until much later as it was not the time).

However, now that mum is not here to keep her in order I guess, she has just gone bananas. She is very isolated anyway, hardly (in fact I think does not) have any friends, dislikes her hubands family, in fact, I would probably go so far as to say she does not like anyone, not even her husband. Therefore she has no-one to bounce ideas off/challenge her behaviour/get her to think about things.

I feel sorry for her, really I do. But, I cant change her can I?
Am I just going to have to let her go for now? She is so destructive

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BrothelSprouts · 14/06/2007 12:15

Sorry you are having such a difficult time.
Your entire family have been through such a lot in a short space of time, and emotions must be running very high.
Perhaps sending a card to your sister (just to say that you are there for her if she needs you) might help to smooth things over.
I think that trying to discuss the situation re your father's funeral any further would be counterproductive, as you have different perceptions of the exact details, and it might be best to try and move on from that.
Sending a card would put the ball in her court, and you would know that you have offered the olive branch.

Greensleeves · 14/06/2007 12:16

I am sorry to read this, your post is so full of pain . I can't offer much advice really, other than to stay true to yourself, keep hold of your own principles and standards and don't let her attitude corrupt your view of yourself or your situation. You are entitled to your own reactions to your parents' death. - it's a completely personal process and there is no "right" reaction.

I have a sister a bit like yours, I haven't seen her for seven years. Every time I see her she cuts me to ribbons. I would love us to have been close - or at least for her to have met her nephews - but she's a cold, destructive bitch and I don't blame myself any more for not being able to paper over her personality and make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

I am so sorry about your parents. Take your time coming to terms with everything, don't let her bully you. xx

CarGirl · 14/06/2007 12:17

who has your mum's ashes?

SchroedingersCat · 14/06/2007 12:17

Wooosh - She has the ashes as executor, they got sent to her.

btw - she is not talking to either of my other brothers either.

Thank you for your messages everyone. I thought it was so long winded people would just not read on...!

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Kewcumber · 14/06/2007 12:20

"I feel sorry for her, really I do. But, I cant change her can I?
Am I just going to have to let her go for now? She is so destructive "

Yes I think thats what you have to do, be polite be inclusive (eg tell her what you decide about your mums ashes and invite her etc etc) but don;t get into shouting matches on teh phone with her. Tell you won't be shouted at and hang up (as you did).

The fact that she thinks you and your brothers were being greedy does not make it true - what did she thinkwas a prefereably way to deal with a washing machine (for example)? My mum and her sister nearly came to blows after her mum died because her sister threw everything away - dishes, cutlery all the household stuff and clothes whereas my mum would at the very least have given it to charity. They were both very upset for a while but it did calm down.

She entitled to beleive that your father deserved her presence at his wake but you are equally entitled to feel he didn't.

So sorry, dealing with this after your mum has died can't be easy.

flossie64 · 14/06/2007 12:20

I think BS has the right idea , but I did ssend a lettewr to my sister and she didn't change at all.
She just thought that when my dad died I would justgo back to being her friend .She was very wrong ,maybe it depends if she showsany remorse or understanding that she really has upset you .
I hope it all works out for you

Kewcumber · 14/06/2007 12:21

Ahh the ashes thing might be tricky.

SchroedingersCat · 14/06/2007 12:21

BS - the problem is, she does not see olive branches. By brother tried that before his wedding and she would not go, or talk to him again. She left message on his answer machine about my father dying, and he had known him .
She will not see this as me trying to make peace, she will see this as vindication that her behaviour is justified and ok, and then will not do anything to change as she will not see there is anything wrong.

I do understand hs eis greiving, I understnad she is envious, of the relationship I had with mum, with the fact that I have friends who can help me through, that I have a wonderful partner, that I have a job, and all in all a good life. She has made her jealousness clear, but I cannot change those things in her life, only she can. And I have tried to let her know I am there, but to be honest, I do not know if I can be there for her right now.

Her behaviour has and continues to effect how I grief for my mum as this is hanging over me Its like I cannot deal with feelings around mum's death so easily as it all comes back to my sister.

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SchroedingersCat · 14/06/2007 12:25

Greensleaves - I feel that way about my sister. She has two children who are being damaged by her behaviour, I feel desperately sad that I will lose touch with them, that my LO will not get to know her children. I want so much to be close to her, but thats never going to happen as she is so venomous, and I am now mixed about whether to continue working at the relationship when she hurst me so much each time I talk, whether DD would benefit by being around that kind of relationship, or whether we would all be better without her in our lives.
I feel guilty that if I remove contac, she will be completely alone, and so will her children.

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SchroedingersCat · 14/06/2007 12:35

KC - mum had expressed, apparantly, that she was happy for everything to go to a local charity if no-one wanted furniture. It was not even that she disagreed with our suggestion, it was the lack of any kind of conversation, the fact that once she got it into her head that we were greedy mercinaries out to fleece everyone (within about 24 hours of us arriving at her house), she refused to come down to mums house to go through things, arranged for the charity to come and get anything that was left by the tuesday after the funeral which gave us 2 days to go through everything, decide who was having what, spend some time thinking of mum, and, it was my home, no-one else lived in the house apart from my brother for about 3 months, it was mine and mum's home from aged 12 to when I went to uni at 20. My sister made us go through things like they were just things, and would not take part, she snuck in when we were not there and grabbed everything she wanted, including all the cards mum kept, letters, personal things.

Oh and she has all the photos.

Her behaviour changed like this as we had the discussion about what do to with mums stuff, at the same time she noticed that my brother had taken a plant of mum's from the garden when he was last down a week before she died. She said she was 'earmarked' that by mum.

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SchroedingersCat · 14/06/2007 12:35

charity coming on the tuesady at 11am, with the funeral being on the monday at 12pm

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RuthChan · 14/06/2007 12:37

I'm really sorry that you are in such a difficult situation.
Problems like this between family members are always so much harder to take because family are supposed to be there to support each other (as your sister promised to your mum that she would)
The death of a parent is one of the toughest life experiences that people go through and such events can bring out either the best or the worst in people.
I really hope that as this most stressful of periods passes that your sister will calm down and stop being such a bitch.
In the mean time, I agree with other people that writing a letter or note may be a good way. It's hard to argue with a letter.
I understand that you want to scatter your Mum's ashes as soon as possible, but would you mind waiting a while so that it can be done with dignity and maybe a little more family unity?

CarGirl · 14/06/2007 12:41

I think you should perhaps write to your letter stating that you need 48 hours notice of when your Mum's ashes are to be scattered. Is there a chance she will go and do it without you all being there?

SchroedingersCat · 14/06/2007 12:46

Ruth - I would have no problem with waiting to scatter the ashes as a family if that could be guaranteed. I just want mum to be at peace, and I am just not sure that she is. She beleived in reincarnation, and part of that for her was that her ashes went back into the earth and the air and the water. I just want her there, but agree it is better it is done as a family.

However, unfortunately as Cargirl has touched apon. I am worried that she has either scattered them already, or will scatter them without telling us, either at Glastonbury or anywhere.

One of the spiteful comments she made, when I tried to talking to her about mum wanting things to go to the charity not being in her will, therefore open to discussion, she said, 'in that case, mum's will never said anything about scattering her ashes at Glastonbury only that she wanted them scattered, so, I could, if i wanted scatter them in the back garden'. So yes, I am very worried about that.

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SchroedingersCat · 14/06/2007 12:48

Cargirl - I will write a letter, but I suspect that as she does with everything that she is not prepared to addres, she will not read it, or at least not take it on board before getting angry.

The last time I tried this, and was honest but not rude at all, in fact very consilatory (sp?) she sent a letter back saying, 'I will put your attitude down to you being pregnant and your hormones making you not in control of yourself'

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RuthChan · 14/06/2007 12:57

I see what you mean about your mum's ashes. It would be upsetting if she scattered them without you. Especially if it was merely out of spite.

Sorry if I've missed this from earlier in the thread, but is your sister married?
If so, are you on reasonable terms with her DH or DP?
Maybe you could reason with your sister through an intermediate who she's prepared to listen to more calmly?

CarGirl · 14/06/2007 13:01

i think the road ahead looks rocky and it may be beneficial if you could get a grief counsellor to talk to as you need to start dealing with your grief for your Mum in its own right. It sounds horrid - I shall be very careful with how I write my will! Perhaps none of my children will be executors just in case.

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