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My parents are dead, my sister is a bitch. I am so angry

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SchroedingersCat · 14/06/2007 12:04

I have just had an argument with my sister on the telephone. Well, it was not an argument, she yelled, would not let me speak then I hung up. I am very angry, although I expected it.

This is the story. Its long I am sorry. I have changed my name, however some people might recognise this.

My mum died of aggressive ovarian cancer in Jan this year. My sister was executor, my brother and i suggested selling some items of mums that no-one wanted and splitting the proceeds between the grandchildren for their trust fund (my sister has two, my brother has two, I have one). Not talking about personal things, but things like washing machine, microwave, kettle, sofa. My sister turned went nuts, called us greedy, accused us of pouncing in the moment mum died, etc etc. Not going into all the details, but lets say she was extremely nasty, vicious and ignored my brother completely at mum's funeral, and refused to go to his wedding two weeks later even tho he tried to hand out the olive branch, got her husband to call and leave him an answer machine message telling him they were ill, refused to talk to me.

One call since, on her birthday when I called her to say happy birthday, she returned my call.

Then, a few weeks ago, she leaves an answer machine message telling me that my father, whom I did not know, has died and she was acting as executor. In reality this meant not very much as he was found with no addresses in his house or will and by the time they traced my sister all the details had been arranged, and the wake was organised by the pub where he drank (alcoholic) which she was not going to as she had a meeting at her sons school which she was not prepared to cancel. Anyway, I spoke to her twice about this, said I doubted veyr much that I would be going as I did not know him, she said it was up to me but felt it was a long way to go (devon to London) for 15 mins and a person I did not know, she said she would not be offended, and did not mind either way if I went or not, my other brothers were not going either. Her attitude was blase, offhand and she pressed the point of me not going, made it clear she did not really want me there.

Anyway, I made the decision after much soul searching, not to go, not because of my sister, but because of decisions around my own emotions, my lack of relationship to my father etc.

I did not call my sister to tell her I was not going, as I had already made it clear I was not going. She did not call me either.

I phoned her today, to try to arrange scattering my mum's ashes at Glastonbury, did not get as far as talking about it. My sister said immediately before anything else, I thought you were going to let me know about not going to dad's funeral? I told her that I thought I had, she became very angry and said you did not, then went into how I should have supported her as I knew she was organising it, I should have been there for moral support, I did not even send her a card (hmm]. I told her that as far as I was concerned I had told her I was not going and if she misunderstood that I was going to call on the day then I apologise (i was trying hard not to be inflammatory). I also said I got the impression she was not bothered whether I turned up or not, had not considered it that important to herself either and any lack of contact from her too made me feel it was not necessary to call her.

She said, I dont care, BUT HE WAS YOUR FATHER [shouting in intimidating manner emoticon] and that I should have shown more care and consideration that if he was someone from my work. I said that biologically yes, but I did not know him, she yelled more at me about me caring more about my friends, would not allow me to say that yes I do care more about my friends than my dad because they are there for me and I know them. Went on to say loads of stuff about how the trouble with people these days is everything has to fit around them and no-one cares about important things, very patronising, sort of a monologue to herself really.

She said again that I should have been there for moral support, and I told her that she should think about what moral support means, given that she promised me and mum she would look out for me (youngest with a baby), and where has her contact been in the last 5 months, that she had made some very nasty and viscious comments about mine and my brothers apparant greed and did she think this was being supportive?

She then shouted the rest of her stuff, I did not get to say anything else at all, she said that did I not think selling mum's stuff at a bootfair was not being greedy, and lots of other stuff, Yelling louder and louder the more I tried to say something. In the end I told her as she was not prepared to listen to me I was not prepared to let her finish her rant and hung up.

I was upset as I did not get to talk about mum's ashes, so I called back, and left a calm polite message saying that I am sorry she still felt I was greedy and only after money, but I was not prepared to listen to her yelling at me about it right now, that I had in fact called as I wanted to talk to the family about scattering mums ashes soon, and could she call me to talk about this, I was not prepared to talk about anyhing else right now. No response. Of course. I was not really expecting one.

I am just soooooo angry, upset, and well, incensed that she is such a bitch. I mean that in the literal sense, not in the nasty need something to call her sense.
I cannot beleive she really thinks those things about me. I had put it down to greif initially and thought time would make her realise how horrid she has been.

She is the most unkind, viscious, spiteful person I know, and I feel guilty for thinking it or saying it, but I just cannot get away from the fact that this is true.

Wow, long, like I said. Sorry. I needed to get it all out.

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Heathcliffscathy · 17/06/2007 09:55

do you think that your letter will check her behaviour.

by all means let her know how hurtful she is being. but for your sake, don't pour petrol on the fire???

i speak from sad experience unfortunately.

of course do what you must. but hurting back is in the long run going to make things worse for you not better imo.

SchroedingersCat · 17/06/2007 09:58

Sophable - I do understand what you are saying, but I am saying nothing in the letter which is untrue, and it cannot make it worse for me or my relationship with her. She is out of my life now. Or do you mean make it worse for her? Should I not say the things I want to say for fear of upseting her? I want to say a lot more than I did in this letter! I tought this was tame!

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SchroedingersCat · 17/06/2007 09:59

and, how could she not know how hurtful she is being. There is no room for confusion in her behaviour, she had been wicked.

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kimi · 17/06/2007 10:01

Oh sweetheart, I remember your other thread, I am so sorry this is going on.
I don't have any wonderful words of advice but I think you take after your mum, and your sister seems more like your father, I know it is hard to give up on someone but she sounds toxic and I think you will have to just walk away and have no more to do with her as it is unlikely she will ever change.

Give her a last chance to come to lay your mums ashes to rest and if she is not big enough to do that then go ahead without her, I am sure your mum would be proud of the way you are dealing with it all.

(DH has a sister a lot like this and after her last outburst he told her she is dead to him, some people are best not let in to your life)

SchroedingersCat · 17/06/2007 10:06

Kimi - thanks .

She already scattered them. She informed me by letter which I got yesterday. She did it in feb, when my brother got married, which she did not go to, she never had any intention of doing this with us. She knew that when she told us we would all be there together, when she told us this she already knew she was going to sneak away and do it in secret. Like a coward.

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 17/06/2007 10:08

She doesnt sound very well pavlov.

I know that doesnt help you at all.

She seems to have very 'fixed' ideas about how family should behave, and yet, doesnt know how to put this into practice - i wonder if guilt about this plays a large part in her apparent need for people to 'behave' towards her and your father in a certain manner.

I'm so sorry about your Mum's ashes. When people pass away, there are little tangible things left to cling to, and so the arrangements surrounding funerals, burials or cremations are very important. Ditto with personal belongings.

Whilst there is little you can do, except get your DH to appeal to her DH's better nature (although be warned - this backfired in our family somewhat), I think the most precious things you can keep of your mother are your lovely memories of her. Try not to let your sister's bizarre and unwarranted behaviour tarnish these most valuable things. I wonder if your sister's distinct lack of such memories is what makes her want to hang on and control all the 'tangible' things.

My mum and her sister still hold resentment about my nans illness, her death, her cremation, her belongings etc. (My mum wanted her buried - sister had her cremated - what my nan wanted as it happens, my mum only has a few posessions - her sister took the rest because 'she bought them for her').

SchroedingersCat · 17/06/2007 10:09

However, on a lighter note. I spoke to my older brother, the one who drifts in and out of our lives, I asked him to give me away, as my other brother will not be at my wedding. He is in the army and will be on foreign exercise (he drove down from Scotland to Devon, just to tell me he could not do it as he wanted to tell me face to face. how different is that behaviour from my sisters )

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 17/06/2007 10:11

Your brothers sound lovely.

Concentrate your energy on your relationship with them.

SchroedingersCat · 17/06/2007 10:13

VVV - my Dp also thinks she is unwell. It I guess in a way does help if she is, as it means that maybe one day she can/will do something to make herself well again. If she is not ill, and if it is her nature, thats harder to deal with, as I am having to accept that my sister, who when I was young I was close to, is such a horrible person I cannot be near her anymore.

I do have wonderful memories of my mum. Nothing can take away the precious times we had, which we had before she was ill, not because she was dying, but because I loved her and enjoyed spending time with her. I wish she was here now to give my sister the boot up the arse she deserves.

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SchroedingersCat · 17/06/2007 10:14

VVV - one of my brothers is loverly, the other one is a mess, a bit baby of a 40 year old, has his own problems, which I think may be coming my way to help with! But he is kind, and never been nasty. I have always got on with him.

And I will be concentrating on these relationships from now on, and those of my DPs family.

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kimi · 17/06/2007 10:15

I missed that bit, what an out and out cow!!!!!!

I really really think you should cut her out of your life, as she has just done that to hurt you as much as she can,

Oh I am so upset for you, she is a bitch.

kimi · 17/06/2007 10:16

Are you sure she is your sister as you seem so nice and she seems loopy?

SchroedingersCat · 17/06/2007 10:22

thanks Kimi! I wonder about her relationship to me too. Perhaps mum adopted her?! I would think that if I did not look so like her

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CuttingCod · 17/06/2007 10:46

glad oyu liekd it.

fairyjay · 17/06/2007 10:55

Just a thought - might it be worth you going to chat to her priest or minister, and explain the problems you are having - and maybe that you are concerned about her health.

As has been said, she has hardly been behaving in a Christian way, so maybe someone she respects could talk some sense into her.

CarGirl · 17/06/2007 12:44

Your sister is completely out of order however I do think I neutrally written letter is going to stand a better chance of getting you the things that you want. If you send the letter intend you are giving her amunition to hurl back at you, say nasty things about you etc etc etc

Being remaining calm and dignified it makes her and her husband much much harder to refuse you every item you have asked for.

I think it is likely your sister is either ill or has a personality disorder but I'd see being neutral as a means to an end, all the while you react in any other way you are probably giving her what she wants - a reaction that shows she can get to you.

Hugs x

SchroedingersCat · 17/06/2007 15:18

I would talk to her minister, but she has not respect for those in her church either. The last time someone from her church asked her if she was ok, she told them to butt out of her life. She goes to church, preaches the scriptures, but does not put any positivity into it.

I will think about the letter, but to be honest, if I give her a neutral letter, she will deny me the things I want anyway (we are talking about photos, and cards I had sent mum over the years with special messages in, my birth bracelet that kind of thing) and I will still have no chance to tell her what I think. She has already made decisions about me, what I want and the reasons, and a nice or nasty letter will not change the decisions she has no doubt already made about whether I get this stuff or not. I left a nuetral message on her phone, asking her to call me to discuss mum's ashes. Her response was a nasty letter telling me she had done allready scattered the ashes, that her soul was already free, and that all she did was scatter her cremated bodily ash on a hilltop, oh, and not to call her again.

Thanks for responding to my excessively long and angsty thread! All your thoughts and suggestions have made a lot of difference, allowing me to cover my thoughts and make sense of this situation.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/06/2007 12:17

Schroedingerscat

I think you have been given some excellent counsel so would not want to repeat this.

I would only ask if this toxic sister of yours had any sort of relationship with her toxic Dad when she was younger?. He was your father yes, but not a good one; it sounds like his best friend and primary relationship was with alcohol and you people came a distinct second. I can well understand why you acted as you did.

Is she older than your good self; where are you in terms of age in relation to her?.

I am wondering also if her Dad's toxic behaviour has been passed to her - it sounds like this is going to become a generational issue. First your Dad being toxic, now your sister's doing the same sort of toxic behaviours.

nannyogg · 19/06/2007 12:25

Having been watching this thread and I'm so sorry for everything you're having to go through...

Apologies if this has already been suggested, but just wanted to make a practical suggestion...have you considered planting a memorial tree for your mum?

I appreciate it's not the same as actually scattering the ashes, but seeing as that option has been taken away this could maybe compensate in some small way?

My Dad's ashes where scattered a long way from where we live (at his request), and we wanted to create a memorial to him locally. He has his own tree overlooking a lake. It's lovely to visit.

pavlovthecat · 19/06/2007 16:36

Atilla - My sister is 9 years older than me. My mum left my dad when she was 9 and I was 4 months old. She had loose contact with him for a few years, then nothing physical until she made contact with him a few years ago. She did not tell anyone in the family, until after she had been to see him twice, then she told me, then mum, but not my other brothers, she does care what they know or do not know.

She also told me there was no family to contact in Ireland, so I did some digging, emails letters to local papers in Ireland and made contact with father's sister, as I thohg it only fiar that someone was told. I told my sister, and my brother that I would do this, as would they, and once we made contact, I would let them know.

After the argument with my sister at the beginning of this thread, I spoke to my aunt in Ireland, as she emailed the local newspaper in response to a letter they sent. She has already spoken to my sister, who already had her contact details. My sister has told her everything about mum dying, the unpleasant circumstances around his death and it appears has badmouthed us to my aunt too.

Anyway, I have written a letter, pretty much as below, and have sent it to her now. I will give it two weeks, and if I hear nothing, I will send the letter to her husband at his work address, as I am not sure how much of all the stuff she has done he knows about. I thought he was a decent bloke if not a bit passive, and it has amzed me he has stood by and allowed her to behave this way, and to collude with it by scatterint the ahes (I wonder if she told him we did not want to do it?).

Once this bit is over, and I have, or not have my things back, she will hear no more from me.

pavlovthecat · 19/06/2007 16:38

Nanny -its a great idea about the tree - in fact we have an oak tree to plant for DD, so we could get one for mum too. I just need a spot at Glastobury to plant it. I do think its good idea.

Mum is where she wanted to be now, whatever my sister twisted thoughts or actions. I at least can go and visit where she was scattered, which is more symbolic than anything else. She is with me always and my sister cannot take that away.

pavlovthecat · 19/06/2007 16:40

damn - I changed my name back but it did not work. I am not very good at being private!

kimi · 20/06/2007 16:20

How are you feeling now?

pavlovthecat · 21/06/2007 08:05

Hey Kimi [smile}.

Well I saw my best friend yesterday, and told her what had happened. As I was telling her I was shaking with anger and well I guess hurt. I do not feel tearful.

However, I think what I feel more than anything else is a sense of releif that finally I hae not just ignored her. I think, the letter I sent, whilst was not pleasant, was truthful. I did not rant indiscriminantly, I did not seek to patronise or insult. But I have told her that I cannot have her in my life right now as he behaviour is too damaging, and that she is not welcome at my wedding. I also said that I beleive she knew that she was not welcome already, given her actions to scatter the ashes.

I know I am unlikely to get my things back. I doubt very much I would be able to do this unless I pretended all was fine and went to visit and was nice and pleasant and gave her hugs and be false for a day. I just could not do that, it would mean travelling 6.5 hours, saying sorry for my behaviour (thats what she would expect from me, to admit I was wrong) and I will not do that.

However, my best friend said several things yesterday which helped immensely in particular that we and her family arw family and that she loved me, dd and dp very much!

pavlovthecat · 21/06/2007 08:08

Kimi, thanks for asking after me