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Anyone around? Not strong right now

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foundintranslation · 29/09/2006 23:30

(And not entirely sober, either. But that's by the by)

I am very optimistic, really, usually, but I can't be strong and optimistic all the time. What if I can't get pg again? What if I get pg again and miscarry again? And again? What if there really is an underlying problem?

I haven't really had time to feel the full sadness about this that is going on under the surface. My life demands a lot of me atm. Keeping it together is important.

I'm not sleeping well - there are a lot of fears. Fear that something will happen to ds, that something will happen to us. I wish I knew what it was like to have a mother who would support me through all of this. What is it like?

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hunkermunker · 30/09/2006 00:04

Oh, FiT I wish I could give you concrete answers to your questions

I can't. But I can give you a big hug - you're in my thoughts, sweetheart x x x x x x

foundintranslation · 30/09/2006 00:07

Thank you all so very much. This is helping, it really is.

That's just it - answers, reassurances about the future - which are never really available, are they? We will just have to take the plunge again when we feel ready.

I think I am going to have to give in to this rage - and trust that I will find the cut-off point to bitterness. Not wanting to end up like my mother is such a huge thing, it even affects this.

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hunkermunker · 30/09/2006 00:10

If you have the self-awareness to recognise what your mother is like, and to know you don't want to be like that, there's no way you will be, I promise you. So let go and allow yourself to feel whatever it is you need to feel to ease your pain x x x x x

Sobernow · 30/09/2006 00:13

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foundintranslation · 30/09/2006 00:31

Thank you all so very much. It really means a lot to me too to be reassured I don't have to go the way of my mother.

I think I can go to bed (it's 1.30 here, so about time) now and probably cry a bit, but actually fall asleep (good thing).

Night all.

(Will no doubt update this thread in the next few days)

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Sobernow · 30/09/2006 00:33

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edie123 · 07/10/2006 10:16

FIT

How are you this morning? Hope you are ok. Don't give up hope...I know thats easy to say I have only had one mc (one is enough!) When you are feeling stronger and want to try again, be safe in the knowledge that it will happen one day. Life is shit sometimes, its awful, but you are strong (true you can't be strong all the time! You have a right not to be).

It's fantastic to have a supportive mother, wish you had one too xx xx

northerner · 07/10/2006 10:24

Hi FIT, sorry you feel so shit hun. You are totally entitles to feel like this, it's good to let it all out.

I m/c in April and still get a what if pang occassionally. This week I dropped ds off at school and there was a new boy starting, his mum is pregnant and she told me she's due in Nov, when I would have been due. It hit me like a thunderbolt, that should have been me, my bump would have been that big etc etc. It's so hard because I feel like I can't keep harping on about it to people, so I don't say anything. Just keep scthum.

Sorry for the hijack, brings back memories. M/c are shit, we don't ever forget, just have to get on with it.

Hope you feel better soon.
xx

Marina · 07/10/2006 10:26

Just seen this missed it earlier.
Love, love Sobernow's Honours Degree in Not Wanting To End Up Like Your Mother. I think Mumsnet should start a distance learning course FIT - I'm right there with you and so are many others.
Sending you lots of love and hoping you are finding, as I did, that the OK to good days are helping you when you find yourself peering into the abyss.

Marina · 07/10/2006 10:28

Because of the timings etc dd is the very youngest in a preschool year that Tom would have been one of the oldest in. I found it so hard and no-one, not even dh, has done the maths with me
What Ifs are the grimmest, even when, like TC found, and we did with lovely dd, happiness does come back into your life. XXX

foundintranslation · 07/10/2006 11:24

Thank you everyone. I haven't been back to this - hectic week. Sitting here now full of cold proofreading dh's interminably long PhD funding applications.

I'm so sorry Northener. Approaching due dates and anniversaries are the pits. Marina - I'm welling up for you.

Therehave been quite a few sad mc posts on MN this week - I've tried my hardest to help. Wish people didn't have to go through this.
I've written a piece this week on the whole mc experience and am wondering whether to post it here.

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Marina · 07/10/2006 11:48

I think you should post it FIT. I think sharing feelings and thoughts helps people in so many contexts, but especially with a subject that until so recently, was utterly taboo and Not Talked About. "Your sadness". "That sad time" - terms still used by people in my parents' generation to talk about miscarriage and stillbirth.
I was helped so much in 2002 by a poster called Rosy, who wrote an utterly moving and truthful account of delivering a stillborn baby.
It takes some of the shock and the fear out of the equation when you have just had the worst of news. You feel just a little less like a freakish disaster zone.
I know I am not the only Mner who tries to see just a little positive outcome of what happened to my family by trying to help and support others going through similar.
Lots of love, hope it is sunny where you are like it is for me. Sunshine does help I find. XXX

foundintranslation · 07/10/2006 11:51

Thank you Marina - you have been so much help to me. I'll have to reread it and screw up my courage - but I'll try and post it.

Sunny-cloudy-showery here, but lovely, lovely autumn air. Really nice and refreshing and cobweb-away-sweeping.

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pindy · 07/10/2006 12:23

Hi - my thoughts are with you FIT, I'm nearly 15 years down the line, I lost my first dd at 26 weeks, the anniversaries etc are the worst. Now to be honest it is only the anniversary of her birth (and death) that is really hard, but there is not a day that goes by without thinking about her and the what ifs etc. My second dd was born within the year, that helped but there is still someone missing from our family. DS was born at 30 weeks, I thought I was going through the same thing all over again, but fortunately not, the complete reverse, yes he wasearly but very healthy big and strong. He is now 12.5 years and 5'10", size 10.5 feet !!! He's done ok!!!!

When I lost the first I was was so scared that my body would let me down again and I hated the following pregnancies - I could only see it as a means to an end.

Whoops sorry to ramble but the anniversary is next week, so getting close.

Please post what you have written.

Big hugs to you and most of all try to stay positive, which I'm sure you are most of the time, we are slip a bit at times and that is when it's good to talk.

X

marthamoo · 07/10/2006 12:31

Do post it if you can, fit.

Marina, that's so sad - yet so true - that our partners don't do those what ifs in quite the same way - like working out that Tom would have been in the same year group at school I was pregnant (with ds2) 6 months after I had my miscarriage and I overheard dh talking to his parents on the phone one evening. They asked how I was coping now with the grief over my miscarriage and he said "oh, she's fine - it's all forgotten now." He said afterwards (when I confronted him, weeping) that of course he didn't mean it - that he doesn't talk about stuff "like that" with his parents...but I've never forgotten it

foundintranslation · 07/10/2006 12:57

Here goes. I hope people can identify with it on some level. (Long!)

Miscarriage. Language is treacherous at the best of times, and sometimes downright rotten; especially, it seems, when it is inventing words for things which used to have no words. To miscarry: if we turn literal, to carry something wrongly. As if the women, the wombs were at fault; the term is almost more loaded still than the other, ugly one, abortion, dropped careless and often mercifully illegible onto doctors? notes. The German term is even worse: Fehlgeburt, wrong-birth; that it is all wrong, is no argument; that is part of the many-reason why it is so gutting, it seems almost, once over, as if there had never been anything there: it ends in ignominity, in messiness and pain and bleeding, in buying Feminine Hygiene again, for weeks on end, and there is a woefully flat stomach to show for it, and the only trace is the two strips, still, on the plastic wand we wave in vain and desperation, a cruel echo of initial joy, literally taking the piss. And a howling loss that speaks its name, if it dares, into a volley of shaking heads: it was for the best, it probably wasn?t healthy, nature knows what it?s doing, be thankful. Some of us might accept this in more or less the spirit in which it was meant, one or two of us might think, towards these comforters: I didn?t want perfect, I didn?t need healthy, whatever that means in your language; I wanted alive. The loss circles, in the time to come, around points in time, due dates, anniversaries; around the little failures every month that we fall into wholesale, despite ourselves; around a parallel path where there is not this loss, that opens in our minds (and there only) when we come up from the D&C, or down from the gas and air. An idea, a dream, a throwing of caution to the winds, a setting going of the uncontrollable machinery of life (Sylvia, you had a short, unhappy life, but: Love set you going like a fat gold watch ? for this, you lucky, lucky thing), from its mother?s womb untimely ripped.
In Hamburg, the third time, in the hospital, they all used my title, kept referring to me as Dr. X. Although we were all at pains to establish and reassure that I was not a medical doctor, it was fitting, somehow, due to my hard-won expertise in the field, so that that third time I knew sooner than the actual doctor what was up: sooner, even, almost, than the human chorionic gonadotrophin, which at that point was still rising, more gently, but still unknowingly, multiplying in my blood, wasting itself. Later it would begin to dissolve, fizzing as pain into the recesses of my tired mind and my heavied limbs. I saw the sac, coffee-bean-shaped and completely black in a fuzz of white, and said immediately: there?s nothing in there. The dulled light of the scanning room, the dark ceiling seemed to fall featherlike on me, gently, swinging: to meet it rose the sour certainty that it was taking its course again, life was forming in me with a dead space in its centre, and I fought to drag together my bits of dignity: to take it with head held high. She said: I just want to be sure, and directed the soundwaves at every possible angle onto the dead space, forcing it to form and reform its failing image: torture. I said, again: no, no, there?s nothing there. Not long, and she had to turn to me and admit me to be right. How I wish I were innocent of this expertise.
While she was filling in the forms, I laid my hand on the place where it was happening, and, quite the mother, spoke to myself: it?s all right, poor body, it?s not your fault, I promise we will do it again, and it will work. Overwhelming the rush of compassion for the poor empty space my body had formed in good faith. Compassion for myself, in synecdoche.
They did all they could for me in there, considering there was nothing left to do, in the sense of saving: they took me and put my body back on its feet; they were efficient and kind, and their kindness meant all the more to me as someone motherless, struggling to be mother. I thanked every one of them, almost humbly. I think some of them were not used to being thanked, not like this. Many, maybe, were too used to being savaged for bringing bad news. Their routine in kindness was the saddest indicator that I am not alone.
D&C: oh, how nice it is to come up out of a light anaesthetic, and how soul-destroying to realise that the white bed and the after-wooziness is not forever, but that there is life and grieving and wading uphill through invisible mud on to-everyone-else dry, flat, sunlit land to be faced: marsh covering the promised land. They were reluctant to let me get up: the first time, I had been more or less straight from my bed on waking, as if on a spring, Jack-in-a-bed, a matter of honour; this time I was floppier, less elastic, more tired and resigned, prepared to read crap magazines and be grateful for water. I refused the later offer of food, looking forward to the promised, impending release and stuffing my face at an American diner. My mind was not on what I had lost; already, I was making that fatal mistake: the desperation to be up and on, to beat life at its own sick game. In me, the dignity of survival, of the stiff upper lip, fought a quiet and dirty battle with the dignity of collapse, of grief.

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pindy · 07/10/2006 13:04

Wow - very succinct, thank you for posting it.

Take care x

Nicola63 · 07/10/2006 13:08

FIT, all I can say is Yes. Me too. In so many aspects (and with the D and C of yesterday and the emergence from the anaesthetic still completely fresh in my mind). And I too still have the initial "plastic wands" from all three and can't bring myself to throw them away.

PS I am, in fact, a medical doctor, something which seems to encourage people to speak to me about it all in very overmedicalised terms, forgetting perhaps that I am not thinking "medically" at all.

marthamoo · 07/10/2006 13:44

That's very powerful, fit. I hope it was cathartic, in some small way - thank you for sharing it.

Marina · 07/10/2006 15:48

Oh, FIT. That is such a sharp, painful, beautiful and recognisable read. Thank you so much for being generous enough to share it with us XXX

northerner · 07/10/2006 16:11

FIT that is fab. Thanks for sharing.
x

foundintranslation · 07/10/2006 20:22

Thank you everyone.

Nicola, how are you doing this evening?

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GreenSlashedSleeves · 07/10/2006 20:33

FIT, you're amazing. Your writing leaves me speechless. I do hope you are feeling stronger, you have been through so much. xx

CarlyP · 07/10/2006 20:48

just seen this FIT. hope you are doing ok.

cx

Megglevampire · 07/10/2006 20:55

FIT I wanted to lend you some support, I'm not sure how useful I'll be but I can tell you my story.

I can so relate to your OP, that was me a few months ago. I started to worry about every little thing following an awful miscarriage and a very stressful run up to it.

Everything felt quite cloudy for a while but time was kind as were people around me who wiped my tears.

I'm only 8 weeks pregnant now and still can't quite believe it, I never thought I'd get here and some days still don't think all is going to go well but I'm trying to be kind to myself. Trying to relax a little and be hopeful for the future however it all pans out.

Take time for yourself, be kind to yourself and take time to get over your ordeal.

Oh and post lots on here too, I found most posts to be inspirational, kind and uplifting whilst I was struggling.