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shabbatheGreek · 23/07/2013 10:10

This special thread was started in 2008. Its a special place - one which nobody would ever willingly come to. I hope we pay tribute to our lost children by helping each other. xxxx

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shabbs · 11/01/2014 09:40

Morning girls xx

MiaAlexandrasmummy · 11/01/2014 17:58

Linsey I hope that yesterday passed with love, so much love for you all, and that today, you feel that you have honoured your little girl in the most wonderful way possible.

heavenly yes, people's expectations are so, so hard. They feel helpless in the face of your pain, and they just desperately want you to stop hurting. People want to help, but they really don't know how. Like you, I wanted to isolate myself, but knew that it wasn't always going to be the solution. Yet I had no idea how to do it. So I ended up asking a small group of friends to keep contacting me, asking me to do things with them, and even if I didn't reply or said no, to keep on asking me by text or by email. And they were wonderful. They asked me to go on walks, to lunch, to visit them, to babysit, to go horse-riding, to attend make-up lessons… all kinds of random things opportunities, some of which afforded the time to talk, some simple to have company, some simply to get out of the house. Some invitations I accepted, some I didn't, but they all just kept on texting or emailing me to let me know that they were thinking of me. For that, I am extremely grateful. So I found email, MN (especially here), FB and texts to be very useful. They provided a level of contact I could control, in a timeframe which suited me, and a distance which I needed.

Yes, phonecalls and face-to-face contact were infinitely harder, but if I had to cry in front of someone, there was absolutely nothing I could do to stop it. I did find that I actively avoided socialising in large groups, or with people I didn't know well (but two years down the track, I am now almost back to saying yes to those sorts of invitations) - as I didn't want to be asked any difficult questions by those I didn't know, and who perhaps might brush off Mia and my love with awkwardness or a trite comment. I wanted, and needed to stay in a 'nest' of friends who understood and who didn't judge.

shabbs · 12/01/2014 08:34

Morning girls xx

HeavenlyE · 13/01/2014 09:17

Hello all, thanks for your replies.

Really struggling today. Just wondering what is the point? And I can't accept that E, with all his personality, isn't here any more.

LilyTheSavage · 13/01/2014 18:29

Hi Heavenly. I'm with you all the way in wondering why and what's the point? The only reason I keep going is because of my DH and my other two DSs. I sometimes look at pictures of my DS and struggle to remember what he smelled like, and felt and how he sounded. I saw a mum shopping with a young man of about 21 the other day (the age my DS was when he died five months ago) and I felt overwhelmingly jealous.
It's very hard to accept that someone who was such a huge part of our lives only exists in memories and photos.

Wine for Heavenly..... and definitely Wine for me.

shabbs · 13/01/2014 19:36

The 'early days' are horrendous - I wouldn't go back to them for a million pounds. I promise all of you that (somehow) our life goes on - after a while it goes easier - except for anniversaries and birthdays. The initial shock, sadness, and tears are exchanged, for me, with a longing to see my sons again......just to peep at them and see what they look like now. Just to hear their voices - just five minutes to see them. xx

LilyTheSavage · 13/01/2014 22:33

Hi Shabbs. You're so right. It's horrendous and feels unreal although it's so horribly real. I find it hard to remember things, and forget what I'm saying in the middle of a sentence. I used to be very organised and "together", but now my brain has turned to mud.
I long to see my boy so badly. I long to hear his voice and smell him. Pictures and stories and memories aren't any comfort. They merely serve as a mocking reminder of what we've lost.
Wine all round I think.

shabbs · 14/01/2014 07:03

Morning girls xx

I found that talking about my sons on here and telling everybody about their 'little ways' and what they looked like etc etc helped an awful lot.

For the first 6 months after my Matt was killed I didn't remember how I had got home from work, if we had all eaten and had to write everything down that needed doing. Its like swimming in thick treacle.

LilyTheSavage · 14/01/2014 07:58

Hi Shabbs. I'm so sorry about Matt. How old was he?

Has anybody else's brain just turned to mud? I forget what I'm saying in the middle of sentences. I used to be so organised and "together". These days I have to write absolutely everything down. But you don't write down a conversation!

Hope you all have a peaceful day. Smile

shabbs · 14/01/2014 09:03

One of my twin boys, Gareth, died from congenital heart problems almost 32 years ago when he was 7 months old. He and my surviving twin Danny celebrated their 32nd birthday just after Xmas.

Matt, was killed by a reversing lorry, almost 22 years ago when he was almost 8 years old. This year is his 30th birthday.

I also have a 'suprise baby!!' Tom, he is 16 and I was 40 and a half Smile when he was born.

I also write everything down!!! When I am having a conversation with someone I often forget what I am saying mid sentance x

LilyTheSavage · 14/01/2014 12:15

Double loss. How dreadful. I'm doubly, triply uncountable times sorry. You talk about Matt's birthday and him being 30 this year. These ways of counting and marking the times are something that I've got to work out. The question "how many children do you have" is a question that can finish me off. My husband's reply of "we had three sons but now have two" has been useful.
I have two surviving sons who are going to be 24 and 21 this year.

I have written a lot down today, but I also need to remember to look in my book! Grin

shabbs · 14/01/2014 12:32

I always say 'I have had four amazing sons.' If they ask me further questions, depending on the weather, how I feel, if I like the person or not - then I tell them the truth.

I dont feel sad on my sons birthdays - they were amazing days - but their anniversaries (or remember days) do knock me for six. xx

shabbs · 14/01/2014 12:34

Lily would love to hear about ALL of your sons - if and when you are ready love - no pressure at all xx

shabbs · 15/01/2014 08:33

morning girls xx

HeavenlyE · 16/01/2014 01:26

Lily, I am very sorry for your loss. It all sounds very recent.

Shabbs I can't believe you had to go throughout
This twice. You are a lovely lady.

I am still numb. My beautiful E was so loving and so kind. I felt such a bond with him from day 1. He was a beauty and a lot of people loved him.

I would like to hear about your boys too.

LilyTheSavage · 16/01/2014 07:39

Morning girls.
It's my 50th birthday today and everybody is being so kind and lovely and wanting to celebrate and make me feel better. But I don't want to celebrate. I cried most of yesterday and want to cancel things I've said I'd do today with lovely friends. I've got a pile of cards and presents to open and I just can't be bothered. My DH words abroad. I guess I'm just being sorry for myself, but I miss Paddy so desperately. This time last year he and I were in Kenya with my DH (who then had to be away) and we had a dinner party and he made Mojitos. Precious times I can't ever get back.
Hibernating seems like a good idea.
I hope you all have a good and peaceful day.

shabbs · 16/01/2014 08:59

Morning girls xx

MiaAlexandrasmummy · 16/01/2014 15:11

lily sending you birthday wishes. I won't say "happy birthday" as I agree that it is almost impossible to imagine. But I do hope that you are feeling the love of the friends you have around you. xx

LilyTheSavage · 16/01/2014 16:48

Thanks Mia's. I do feel surrounded by love and lucky to have so many caring friends and family. Something very lovely happened. I went to the churchyard to talk to Paddy and take one of the cupcakes I made to leave (silly I know) and I was searching for a very special earring that I'd lost there on Sunday. When I went back to the car I walked around to the passenger side to hug my friend who was with me, I happened to glance down beside my car and I saw my earring beside it. It felt like Paddy had dropped it there for me to find. I hadn't parked in the same place either. Bizarre.
I still don't feel like celebrating, but I'm surviving. On the other hand, a dear friend of mine and his gf have had their first baby today, so the fact that little Ava was born a month early and is breathing unaided is something to celebrate. Sadness and joy.... sadness and joy.... and so it goes on.
Love to you all.

shabbs · 17/01/2014 08:01

Morning girls xx

shabbs · 18/01/2014 09:56

Morning girls - cold, wet and windy day here - wish the Summer would hurry up and get here!!

LilyTheSavage · 18/01/2014 18:50

Hi Shabbs. How're you doing today? I've had a tough few days but I've survived. I still feel surrounded by love and it keeps me going.

Love to you all.

shabbs · 18/01/2014 19:47

Im not too bad thanks. xx

LoveAndDeath · 19/01/2014 01:03

Lily, that was a definity sign! I do love signs. Don't feel I've been getting so many lately though. Maybe she thinks I'm ok? I don't feel ok.

LilyTheSavage · 19/01/2014 08:45

Morning LoveAndDeath. I'm sorry you don't feel ok. Your mask is obviously doing a good job of fooling the rest of the world that you're ok. Have you got anybody near you to go and have a coffee and a hug and just "be". If you live near Bicester you can come to me!

It felt like a birthday present and actually made me smile. And then a few moments later a good friend called to say his gf had had their baby that morning (a month early). Another birthday present.

I don't know if I believe in signs , in fact I don't know what I believe any more. But I do know how it felt like a gift from my DS.

Does anybody else believe in signs? Has anybody ever been to a medium to see if there were messages from their DC?

Love to you all.

PS - I wish I'd found you all sooner.

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