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Remembering with love all our departed brothers and sisters – “The angel inside us”.

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dejavuaswell · 19/01/2011 09:04

My sister Jane died on 24th October 1992. We never knew exactly how she came to crash her car. There was no proof that there was any other vehicle involved but it was very hard to explain what happened unless she swerved to avoid something.

Jane was the youngest of 5 (4 girls and a boy). She died in a road accident 15 months after she graduated. She was closest, chronologically, emotionally and tempermentally to my brother. My older sister, the secular one, has always kept a picture of Jane on her bedside table and my younger sister, the religious one, puts everything down to God?s Will and seems to think of Jane as the lucky one for being in Heaven before the rest of us.

After many years of hardly mourning her death Christmas 2010 was really difficult for me. I had such strong images of her lying cold and alone in the cemetery wondering where the rest of the family and her boyfriend were that it has made me really tearful and spoilt Christmas 100%.

When I think about all that happened in my life since Jane died it seems so unfair that she died before marriage and parenthood and before she could make proper use of her hard-won degree.

This thread follows on from this very moving one: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/bereavement/641812-For-Jonny-and-all-our-darling-departed-sisters-and-brothers

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Hunkerbunker2 · 02/09/2011 18:50

Lookout - you are right. I have sighed and what-if'd for too much of my life.

That is why the divorce and moving to South Africa is so important. Clean break, new start.

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MiniSis · 10/09/2011 11:41

My sister who posted on MN passed away nearly 4 weeks ago now. It was very sudden and completely unexpected. My mum had seen her not an hour before she fell asleep. She was 33 and leaves behind her husband, 3 daughters (aged 5 and 6 month old twins) my parents, myself and my darling little boy who is just 10 months.

We had her funeral on Thursday after 3.5 long weeks of waiting. To be honest, part of me has died too and I'm not sure how life will be for me and how I will cope. But of course it is all still so raw.

So sleep tight my magic sister until we meet again x x x

16th March 1978 - 15th August 2011 xxx

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GRW · 10/09/2011 13:48

I am so sorry for your loss. Be kind to yourself, and share your feelings with those around you, and honestly it will get easier, but it takes time. I hope that having your little boy to care for and family around you helps.
My sister died suddenly also aged 33 on 15th August 1998; she was my best friend and my daughter was 6 months old at the time. My DD gave me a purpose to go on, but I will always feel sad that she has no memories of my sister.

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dejavuaswell · 10/09/2011 19:36

Yes please be kind to yourself. All the people on this thread would agree that when a sibling dies part of you dies too so you are very much not alone. Keeping posting and somebody will come - I promise!

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lookout · 11/09/2011 11:27

MiniSis, so sorry to hear about your sister, what a tragic thing to happen. It's such early days for you, you don't need to worry yet about how you'll carry on and how you'll cope. All you need to do for now is take one day at a time, or even one hour at a time, keep putting one foot in front of the other and be kind to yourself, as the others have said. You do whatever you have to do, whatever feels right to you at that moment. And keep posting if it helps.

How did you find the funeral? I hope you are close to your parents and brother in law and that you will all be able to support each other through this.

You are in my thoughts.

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MiniSis · 11/09/2011 21:40

Hi lookout, thank you :) The funeral was the perfect send off and I know my sister would be pleased. Her DH took care of most the finer details such as the music, but he included a song special to me and my sister. Me, BIL and my mum spent hours laughing and crying as we wrote her tribute that was read by the vicar. Afterwards I felt very relived as we had been waiting have her funeral for 3.5 weeks after a very long wait for her body to be released.

I am incrediblyu close to my family, me and my sister were as close as you get. I do live in a different county about 60 miles away which is hard, but not much I can do about that. Myself and BIL have had our ups and downs over the years, but we have become very close and supportive of eachother in the last month. I feel I have a job to do in helping him being up my 3 neices.

I am going back to work tomorrow, it is maybe too soon, but I feel I need the distraction and my son needs some normality too.

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lookout · 12/09/2011 12:02

It's horrible having such a wait for the funeral, and it must have been a release of some sort afterwards. We had a 2 1/2 week wait for my brother's funeral and then over a year until all of him could be interred, so I know some of how you feel. I'm glad you are able to support your bil, and vice versa. Poor guy, with three young girls, he's lucky to have you not too too far away. It's so important in the early days to have someone to talk to, someone who knew your sister well and can be close to you. I hope that continues.

I hope work is going ok for you today. You are very brave. If it doesn't work, you can always take more time off - will your work be understanding? I had 3 1/2 months off! And then quit that job not long after that, I found it very hard to go back to 'normality'. I really hope it'll be good for you, though, you know yourself best, listen to your body and do what it tells you!

If you want to tell us about your sister at any point, feel free. We have all shared memories along the way (the original siblings thread was started three years ago) and it can be helpful for people replying to know about you, your sister and your relationship. But only if you want to - there's no pressure to do anything Smile.

Thinking of you today.

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MiniSis · 12/09/2011 18:52

Thank you again :)

Work was ok, much better than I expected actually. I teach secondary school, was not remotely prepared and very anxious, but it went well, no need to get stressed with the kids and it really took my mind off of things. They have been incredibly supportive and if I need time off then I am sure they will be fine. I've only been back 2 weeks (in July) since a year of maternity leave!!

I will share memories with you, I have millions, although I struggle to recall if that makes sense. I can't really think of any "Do you remember when" moments.. I don't know why and it worries me a bit :(

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lookout · 13/09/2011 20:06

Happy to hear work went well, sounds like it'll be a good distraction for you, that's a positive thing to hold onto.

Don't worry too much about not remembering stuff. my memory blacked out for a while afterwards too, something to do with the brain only letting you remember what you can cope with bit by bit. It will come back in time. When was the last time you saw your sister?

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MiniSis · 13/09/2011 20:45

I saw her the night before she died. I'd had my 30th birthday party on the saturday night, then she popped in late sunday to pick up her baby monitor. I was supposed to go out with her on Monday morning but couldn't at the last minute and she died that afternoon.

So I have regrets I could have seen her one last time. She kept texting me asking if I was coming (to where she was)

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lookout · 13/09/2011 21:33

You weren't to know. You have to focus on the fact that you did see her the day before, and that is a good thing. There will be regrest, we've all had them, but in the end they serve no purpose. Try to focus on what is positive, if you can, though I know that isn't easy. Playing the 'what if' game won't get you anywhere.

I don't want to pry, so don't answer if you don't want to. Do you know what happened? It sounds so sudden, and as you said before, unexpected. Somebody else's sibling died of Sudden Adult Death Syndrome (was it Hunker? I'm sorry, my memory is shot to bits this pregnancy!), so I just wondered if it was something similar. It's truly awful losing a sibling in any circumstances, but I know that not having time to prepare is heart-breaking. One minute you're thinking 'I'll text/call/see them another time', the next minute, it's too late. See, even three years on I can still regret things. But I do try and tell myself that my brother knew I loved him, and that we all have busy lives, and he understood that. Your sister would too.

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MiniSis · 13/09/2011 22:37

I take comfort that I had seen her. In fact in the 2 weeks prior her DH had taken 2 weeks off and they had spent the time together doing day trips with their 3 children, including coming to stay with me. She'd seen all of my family at my birthday party and the following she'd been to a bbq at DH's family. So she'd pretty much seen everyone just before she died.

We haven't had the coroners report yet, that should be in the next week. My sister had a congenital heart condition and I'm a bit ashamed to say I'm not exactly sure what it was. Basically she had a slow heartbeat, but had lived with it all through her life. Last year she had a pacemaker fitted which was set to make her heart beat at 60bpm, whereas normally it only beat at around 32bpm. Just 2 months after it was fitted she fell pregnant with twins (her 4th pregnancy with 2 mc's one at 22 weeks) She gave birth to the twins naturally at 37 weeks (I think or maybe 36 I'm sure 37)!!

Anyway, on the day she died she left my mums at about 3.30 or so to feed the twins. She spoke to her DH around 4.05pm, he called her at 5.30 and she didn't answer. He came home at 6pm to find her on the sofa. She was still sitting up and her DD1 thought she was asleep. As far as we know the twins rolled from the sofa to the floor (so whether she passed out or just died we don't know) but have been told that indicates that whatever happend was instant and she did not know, was not in pain or anything.

The original PM came up with nothing and further tests on her heart (hence the wait for the funeral) has found something, but we do not know what yet. We don't know if it was the pacemaker, or just too much pressure fom the pregnancies and birth on her delicate heart or something else altogether. So SAD is not something I/we have considered.

She was not ill, she was perfectly healthy. she saw the heart people regularly and had the pacemaker checked around May time and all was well.

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lookout · 14/09/2011 10:15

Oh, that is so sad. I have tears in my eyes. I feel desperate for you all. Such a shock, and with such small kids. She sounds like a brave lady to have lived with a heart condition all her life, and how frustrating to know she was well and healthy!

But it is amazing that her family, you included, all saw her recently. That is a comfort, however small.

Hope work goes ok for you today. What do you teach?

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MiniSis · 14/09/2011 12:02

Thanks, it is heartbreaking. I keep going on her fb page :(

I teach humanities in secondary school, I am noy in today as DS had a total meltdown last night and was really poorly. Been to the docs and he has bronchiolitis. Doesn't rain, it bloody pours and I'm sure work love me!!!

Sad thing is my sister would normally be the first one I'd phone if DS was poorly :(

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lookout · 14/09/2011 18:03

Man, the number of times I wanted to phone my brother and then realised I couldn't... I'm sure work will be fine, you can't do anything about poorly kids.

You can still talk to your sister. She just might not be so good at replying now Smile.

I bet people have left a lot of lovely messages on her fb? It's comforting and incredibly depressing at the same time. We also had photos from my brother's uni friends (he was only 24 when he died) posted on there that we'd never seen. It'll be something you'll be able to come back to in the future, and hopefully one day it won't always be quite so sad.

In the meantime though, keep taking one day at a time. You sound like you're doing well so far, though that's never easy to tell over the internet!Do you have a partner and/or close friend who is supporting you?

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MiniSis · 14/09/2011 19:09

Loads of people wrote on her wall, it was horrible reading it. One person wrote on her wall writing about her not to her, in the past tense and although everything he wrote was true, she's gone, she "was" amazing etc, I found it so inconsiderate!! Now the messages have dwindled and I go on her page and there is nothing new and it makes me sad, people are forgetting her. I wrote that I missed her last night. I know one day I won't go on her page anymore, but for now I am drawn to it. I assume fb don't close the account? At some point I want to get all of the photo's off as some we don't have and get her witty comments so her kids can see what she wrote about them haha :)

I am on my own with DS and my family live 60 miles away, but I have friends who are coming to see me and lots of phonecalls. It's lonely sometimes, but I do have lots of support. I even spoke to the GP earlier about a referral to CRUSE. She said it's best I call myself but I don't think I am ready just yet.

Btw, I think our DS's are called the same (going by your old name!!)

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lookout · 14/09/2011 20:04

Well, you obv have great taste in names then Wink.

That sounds like a fab idea, getting her comments and some photos from fb, and her kids will appreciate that one day. They don't close the account - in fact, we asked for Jonny's fb page to be closed and were told it 'wasn't their practise to close fb pages'. Probably if we'd pursued it we could have had it closed but he had disabled his Wall and we just left it. We opened another page for us and his mates to write and post stuff and even now I still check regularly and post from time to time. It sounds naff but it's a way of keeping him alive. It still makes me cry to read it now, you're right it is horrible cos it makes what you've lost all the more apparent. I'm still glad it's there though.

It is horrible when the messages slow down, and what really annoys me now is that people post 'Happy Birthday' on there when they get a fb birthday reminder, and then don't post anything the rest of the year Angry. There are a core of his friends who still post regularly, maybe once every couple months, but it is sad to think that even they will eventually move on.

Glad to hear you've got support from your friends. Will you be able to get to see your parents often? Are you close to them, relationship speaking? Have you been able to talk about your sister with them? I can thoroughly recommend Cruse, when you are ready. They were amazing for me, for about a year, and I don't know what I would have done without them. There's no time limit though, you do it when it feels like the right time. If you're a person who likes to talk things through, then it really is the best kind of help you can get.

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GRW · 14/09/2011 21:03

I am sorry for both your losses. Mini Sis- it must have been such a shock and almost unbelievable at first. It's part of grieving to have regrets about what you could have done differently; I hope it will be a comfort that you did see her just a day before she died.
My sister died before there was such a thing as Facebook, and it seems too long ago now to set up a tribute page for her. I am still in touch with some of her friends occasionally, and I've kept some of the letters and poems they wrote after her death.
There are tribute websites such as muchloved.com where you can post photos and thoughts.

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MumfieReturns · 25/09/2011 14:40

Not quite sure why I'm posting this, but here goes.

My brother killed himself a couple of months ago, and I'm just losing it. I was OK for a while after the funeral, but things keep coming back to haunt me, I keep hearing my mum say "we lost him" and I can't breathe. We went through a lot of crap at home when we were young (emotional/physical abuse) and he's the only person out there who knew & understood me and now he's gone and I'm alone. I'm married, I have two gorgeous kids but I've had a hole ripped out of my heart and it feels like it'll never heal. Everyone's looking after mum & dad, I can't bear to be with them and talk to them they're selfish as ever - which sounds harsh unless you know them, anyone who knows about toxic parents will know what I mean. I just get the feeling that everyone I know is fed up with me being miserable, and I need to get my act together. I worry about my kids, depression runs in the family, and I worry about myself, if my brother got to the point where death was the best option, I could easily and up there too.

Sorry if this all seems like self-indulgent nonsense, I'm just in such turmoil and MN was the only place I could think of where someone might understand (I used to post a couple of years back as SkipToMyLou/Mumfie68). Ok, if you're still reading, thanks, it's very cathartic!

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Winetimeisfinetime · 25/09/2011 16:57

Mumfie it isn't self indulgent nonsense at all. You are going through a horrendous experience and need to talk about it with people that understand what you are going through.

Having been through a very similar experience, with what sound like similar family dynamics, I know exactly how you are feeling - that awful sense of loss and desolation that no one can take away is unbearable. I also understand the sort of issues it brings up with your parents which compounds the anguish. There are no real answers that will take the pain away but I found that talking to people on this thread, who knew how it felt was very helpful - especially in the early stages that you are in. For the first few months after I lost my db I would describe myself as being demented with grief - to the point where I felt I was losing my mind but now, nearly three years on, although the pain is still there, it is more bearable and I know I will be able to go on with life, although it is not the life I had expected and one tinged with great sadness, it is now at least bearable.
You will get through this mumfie, it might not feel like it at the moment and my heart goes out to you as the pain you are experiencing is awful, but you will eventually feel better than you do now. xxxx

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lookout · 25/09/2011 19:36

mumfie, so sorry to hear about your brother. Glad you found us on here, we've all been through similar experiences so will be able to share some of your grief, and understand some of what you are experiencing.

A lot of what you write takes me back to my grief, now nearly 3.5 years old. People often remember parents, as rightly they should, but forget siblings, and they are often the people who know us better than anyone. Especially in a difficult home situation like you describe, I can well understand the 'hole ripped out of your heart' feeling. It is an awful feeling, and one that, at the time, feels like it will never leave you. Don't fight it, sometimes it's fine to let it wash over you, but keep posting/talking to a good friend/counsellor because getting those feelings out is what ultimately will help.

This thread, and it's predecessorhere have been helpful for so many because as winetime says, sometimes only people who have been through it can be of any use to you. If you get a chance to read through some of the old thread it might help (I was evansmummy btw).

It's still early days and I can remember feeling like my life was over, thinking some really awful thoughts and wishing myself dead after my brother died. But you will get through it, and we will help you as best we can.

Take care of yourself, and don't put pressure on yourself just yet to behave a certain way. You'll do this in your own time xx

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MumfieReturns · 26/09/2011 10:14

Thank you thank you both so much, I've had a really unbearable week and now I feel like I can breathe again, it's so helpful to know there are other people like me and I'm not silly. Winetimeisfinetime, I've started reading the old thread and I hope I haven't kicked off bad memories for you, it does seem that our situations are similar. Do you still make the effort with your mum? I just feel like it's the final straw, I had no input into DB's funeral and I'm so hurt that I want to cut mum out of my life for ever. But then I feel bad because I'm the only child now, and she must be going through hell because he was staying over hers the weekend he died; she went out for dinner in the evening with friends and within an hour he was gone. So many questions, so much anger and regret. I think I'm still having trouble understanding how I feel, there's so much swirling around and I can't seem to put it into words. Wine helps, rather too much. I'm also lucky to have a DH who notices when I'm suddenly crying for no reason and has as many hugs as I need, I do find it hard to talk to him though as I know he wasn't DB's biggest fan.

Lookout, you are a total star and you make a lot of sense. I've been reluctant to let my feelings have full rein recently as I'm scared I won't stop crying, but I think I need to just let it all go soon. I'm not usually a crying person, I'm the one with the twisted sense of humour who can always find something to smile about, but I've cried so much. It feels good to have this safe space on MN where I can be honest to my feelings, I'm sorry we're all here but I am SO glad we're here and not alone.

Right, back to reading the old thread and having a good cry, sod the housework this morning!

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Winetimeisfinetime · 26/09/2011 11:30

Hi Mumfie - I started reading the old thread too, after seeing your post and whilst it made me quite tearful, it was also cathartic for me to realise how far I have come since I first posted on it. My first posts were made when I was probably where you are now - down a deep,dark pit of dispair and I am now in a place where I can actually function again. The pain never seems to go away - it is always lurking just under the surface but there is now happiness and hopefulness in my life and a future to look forward to. It is such a horrible journey that you are having to go on but hold on as you will gradually feel better than you do now.

I still do see my mum - I am mainly the one to keep in touch as I think the guilt I felt about my db made me realise that allthough my mum has many shortcomings, it is better for me to just accept her as she is and finally come to terms with the fact that I can't have any expectations of her as I then will consequently have no guilt that I cut her off iyswim. But I feel more emotionally distant from her than ever. I learned once and for all that I couldn't rely on her at all - she offered no support at any stage after my db died and left the responsibility for everything to me and my sister. There seems to be no realisation from her ( or my father ) that our upbringing had anything to do with how screwed up we all are. I can see quite clearly now that she lacks any empathy and now it is so indisputable I seem to find it easier to accept. I realise that she can't help it as it just not in her.So I do understand how much harder it makes it when you have disfunctional parents - it brings up so many emotions not least of which is anger.

I'm glad to hear that you have a supportive dh but if you find it hard to talk to him, then come here and talk. xxx

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lookout · 26/09/2011 15:54

mumfie, thanks for coming back and posting again, and I'm glad you're glad you found us Smile. As we always say, we're sorry you have to be here but it is one of the only places where you know you won't be judged.

Anger, regret, questions are things we've all been through, whatever the circumstances we've found ourselves in. It's a normal part of grieving. Getting it out really can help to make sense of it, because there's often someone who will have felt the same thing. So posting here or talking rhough counselling is a really helpful way of dealing with stuff. We've had mixed results with counselling on these threads, but if it's something you might be interested in at whatever point, I can recommend CRUSE, they were a lifesaver for me.

As you say, with so much swirling around your head, now is not such a great time to make decisions. Even though the relationship with your mum sounds difficult (at the very least!), hopefully with a bit of time you'll see things more clearly and will be better able to deal with her, much like winetime has.

Wine and smoking were my big 'crutch' for a long time too. In fact up until I fell pregnant in February of this year I was still drinking to numb the pain. As winetime says, that pain doesn't ever seem to go away, and sometimes still does rear its head and catch you by surprise. Don't worry for now about the wine, someone said to me on the very first thread that I started two weeks after my brother died, that you do whatever feels right at any given moment. That still holds true in some ways. Someone also says that you never 'get over it' (and I hate it when well-meaning people way things like 'one day you'll get over this') but you do eventually learn to live with it. It takes time though. Be gentle with yourself, and keep coming back if you need/want to. We'll be here!

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MumfieReturns · 27/09/2011 09:56

I'm having a better morning. I think posting here has released some of the pressure, I like talking online as I don't have to see people's reactions; I don't read people very well so I find it hard sometimes. I'm going to regroup for a bit and enjoy the peace, but I'll be back Grin

Thanks again Wine (I love the new smileys, I left just after the biscuit arrived but I think wine is better).

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