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BF's DD is a pain in the a**e. Really need some advice on how to deal with it

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ataloss · 01/04/2005 13:36

changed name for this in the (unlikely) event that friend might stumble across it. Sorry for length but I really am at a loss as to how to deal with this situation.

Have a very good friend with a DD same age as my DS (3.5). Sometimes they play together really well but her DD is a really drama queen and throws hideous tantrums if she doesn't get exactly her own way. This would be OK if BF didn't pander to her every wish but now it's starting to affect my DS. Example was yesterday they had tea together; they each had some vegetables; one in a green bowl and one in an orange bowl. My DS has the green bowl, cue much drama, flicking of hair and tears "but mummy I want the green bowl", "But darling you always want the orange bowl" etc. My DS is pretty easy going and normally in this situation he just gives her whatever she wants so he passes over the green bowl. 5 mins later "but I want the ORANGE bowl". Now at this point I would just say "tough, eat your tea and stop moaning" but no we have 5 more minutes of tears and bargaining from her mum and then the mum takes both bowls (including the one DS is eating from!) and says "right well neither of you can have the bowls then" and puts the food into two identical white bowls "OK, now you've got the same". BF's DD now takes it up a notch, wingeing, crying, etc etc. I was just standing there ignoring it and DS was sort of staring at her mystified (as he usually does when she behaves like this). Inside I was fuming thinking "why doesn't she just tell her to get on with it". Anyway, after a half hearted "you can't always have what you want" she takes both bowls back again and puts all the vegetables into the orange bowl, telling them to "share" the orange bowl. Poor DS hadn't even done anything FFS.

Silly example but this happens ALL the time. They just give into her and I feel it's starting to affect DS. In the car on the way home last night he said to me (where the DD is X):
?X gets cross doesn?t she? so I said ?well sometimes, but everyone gets cross sometimes? so he said ?mummy do I have to do what X wants?? so I said ?not all the time, no? so he said ?I do, because I just want to make X smile and that?s why I have to do what X wants?.
No I know it's not really a big deal but I thought how awful that he feels like that.

The big question is how do I deal with it when she starts acting up because fundementally the problem is always that she wants what DS has got and with teh mother not saying anything I'm left in the position of either saying "would you mind just giving it to X, sweetheart" just to keep the piece or not saying anything but then it's annoying when the mum takes things away from both of them just because her DD is playing up.

Sorry this is so long but I just don't know what to do. I get on really well with the mum but it's starting to do my head in.
BTW, not suggesting that my DS is an angel at all but 99.9%of the time, the tantrums arises because she wants whatever he's got (even if it's the same!)
I did tell her what he said to me in the car on the way home and she just said "ah well, she's a girl and he's a boy so he'd better get used to being told what to do!"

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Enid · 01/04/2005 14:42

jimjams I would have thought you'd be a bit sympathetic to parents who have difficult kids!

dinosaur · 01/04/2005 14:42

Yes - maybe he's "high maintenance"!

Enid · 01/04/2005 14:42

dinosaur - phew

morningpaper · 01/04/2005 14:50

lol at Danny de Vito quote - that sounds like something I'd say!

mears · 01/04/2005 15:23

My friends and I used to talk to each others children when they started a carry on. For example, for your first post about the bowls, I would have chipped in telling child (nicely) to get on with it because they weren't getting changed and she could get it next time. Depends how good friends you are I suppose but you might find that if you nicely 'tell the child off', the response will be better and the mum will ask you to do it again next time. Children usually behave better for someone else

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ataloss · 01/04/2005 15:32

Enid - it wasn't my house - it was their house and really don't want to sound smug AT ALL, as I said from the outset my DS is no angel but it is the negoitating with toddlers thing that I really don't understand. I mean ulimately how hard can it be to say "look they are two bananas and they are the same" and if she throws a fit just deal with it, instead of "well you don't want that anyway cos that a boys banana" FGS! Thing is she can be a lovely child and I really think that if they didn't let her get her own way so much then she wouldn't be 'high maintenance'.
I really do like the paretns, they're good friends but it is tricky. I did try the "well no-ones having the bowls" but it was her house and in the end she caved in so not much I could do.
SHe is definitely worse at her own house.

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ataloss · 01/04/2005 15:34

thanks for all the great advice though
I think this is very true frogs
"It's worth diifferentiating between instances of weedy parenting which are irritating but not actually affecting your child, and incidents where your ds is being unfairly treated because other parents can't stand up to a 3-year old."

It's so odd, because I get on so well with the mother and we are so alike in so many ways that I just find it odd that they let her get her own way all the time.

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Jimjams · 01/04/2005 15:37

sympathetic to a point Enid, but I do think that children - even high manintenance ones have to learn to get on with it, and that the world doesn';t revolve around them even if that does mean listening to a lot of screaming. Difficult or not they are still capable of learning that lesson. I have a friend (with an autistic child) who expects to come to our houses and then have our autistic children give way to hers- tbh I tend to think that when out and about my children (even my autistic one) have to give way.

I actually think its really important. DS1 is going to be cared for one day by people who are not family. They have no reason to like him. It's important for that reason that he is likeable and doesn't expect the world to revolve around him.

Enid · 01/04/2005 15:42

well a high-maintenance child can grow out of it into a lovely sweet natured one she says with the voice of experience

ataloss · 01/04/2005 16:43

think jimjams makes a really good point. With the girl in question I don't think she is naturally "high maintenance" although she's probably a bit more dramatic than DS but I'm sure that much of this kind of behaviour is because she knows she can. You can almost see her testing it out to see the reaction she gets and because she always gets the orange bowl, or the less bent banana or whatever, she does the same again next time. I mean wouldn't you?! if everytime you wanted something you got it you'd probably be high maintenance too.

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dinosaur · 01/04/2005 17:00

I couldn't agree more, ataloss.

Enid · 01/04/2005 17:08

well help out next time then and set some boundaries! go on, you know you want too

ataloss · 01/04/2005 17:09

I'm too much of a chicken! DOn't like to run the risk of an argument but I guess I'll have to try some of the suggestions on here (either that or always carry a spare orange bowl...)

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saadia · 01/04/2005 17:16

Perhaps next time your adorable ds has to give up something to your friend's dd, you could say loudly "thank you for giving it to her, I'm really proud of you for being so kind" and just lavish praise on him so that the bf's dd sees that good behaviour also gets attention.

sistermoon · 01/04/2005 17:17

set boundaries should work or failing that praise your ds for behaving so well very loudly and v OTT

Twiglett · 01/04/2005 17:24

Personally I think that if you let it continue you risk confusing your own DS

She sounds like the victim of appalling parenting - and she is going to get a HUGE shock when she gets to school

I don't think I could bare to be friends with people who spoil their kids rotten to my children's detriment, life isn't worth it

I do differentiate between a child calling Pocohontas a princess - that's fine, and a child wanting a certain colour bowl is just normal but actually pandering to it and encouraging that kind of behaviour is weak

Enid · 01/04/2005 17:31

just read the pocohontas thing. Actually quite appalled that your ds cried over it! Does it matter what she calls it??

ataloss · 01/04/2005 17:31

funnily enough, my mum said the same thing (about her getting a shock when she goes to school). She does go to nursery 2 days a week and I think she's OK there maybe she just knows that mummy and daddy give her what she wants. I do worry about my DS getting confused and/or thinking he's done something wrong.
I haven't mentioned this yet but....I'm going on holiday with them in May, on my own with DS (DP can't come cos he's got to work), we're sharing a villa and now I'm starting to think it will be a nightmare. Maybe I use the holiday as a way to say "let's agree some rules about dealing wiht behaviour before we go - so we're singing from same hymn sheet et" oh 'eck!

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Enid · 01/04/2005 17:32

agree with the positive parenting angle - also you could try praising the little girl when she does something nice too?

Enid · 01/04/2005 17:33

jesus. are you mad? She's going to wind you up something rotten

ataloss · 01/04/2005 17:33

he didn't cry, he looked really confused and had tears in his eyes. The point is she was screaming in his face "IT's NOT POCHAONTAS"

made me want to cry TBH! I'm interested Enid - do you think this kind of behaviour is OK?

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Twiglett · 01/04/2005 17:34

oh god I think you'd be totally mad to go on holiday with them

that would really put an end to your relationship

Enid · 01/04/2005 17:34

but your ds wont get confused if YOU make it clear what is acceptable and unacceptable behaviour. He'll look to you first.

Twiglett · 01/04/2005 17:35

but Pocohantas was a princess - I think it was just handled badly by all the adults