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just totally lost my senses. my son is a destructive, bully and i do not know what to do.

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deanychip · 26/08/2008 14:48

I am shaking and cant stop cryig.
He has just completely bullied and hurt his little cousin.....when he thought that no one was watching.

I saw him jumping up and down on her while she cried and cowered in a corner.
what would you do in this situation?

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juuule · 26/08/2008 15:07

Oh I'd say your reaction is normal. You were shocked by what you saw. You need to calm down now and think it through.

juuule · 26/08/2008 15:08

But you didn't see what happened before he did that.

Maybe she had done something awful to him but he's not a screamer.

deanychip · 26/08/2008 15:09

mascara, my family all dislike him, I feel sorry for him.
He is a fucking bully, i am absolutely frurious at this minuit, jsut so angry i cant tell you.
Please dont tell me you think that i ACTUALLY CALLED HIM A FEUCKING BULLY! Dont be bloody stupid, i have said it on here, would never ever say it to him or out loud, jeez.

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HonoriaGlossop · 26/08/2008 15:10

Agree with juule that talking to him needs to happen if you are not aware of what happened immediately before what you saw. I highly doubt that he just decided to jump on her. No, that was not the right thing to do in response to something, BUT he is only five.

I think I can't state strongly enough that you need to calm down about this.

I know it's not nice to see your child being horrible but getting SO angry will not help ANYONE. You will be able to see things clearer, and deal with things better, if you keep calm.

He is only five. His behaviour with his cousin is replicated all over the country. When my ds who is six plays with his peers they CANNOT play happily together without pretty much constant supervision...some will provoke arguments and tears, some will try to get away with things like throwing their friend's dry clothes in the paddling pool, some will swipe out etc.....

Don't focus so much on what he's doing but on how the adults around can do things differently etc. There is always a way round, unless there are diagnosable special needs/conditions.

Take heart, really...you can sort this and getting, and staying, calm is your first step IMO.

juuule · 26/08/2008 15:11

Your family all dislike him

Have they always disliked him?
Or just since this behaviour in the last couple of weeks?

deanychip · 26/08/2008 15:12

my family are a whole other thread tbh, i just keep him away from them, but thought it would be nice to pop in and do something nice so that they can see how lovely he is (and he is lovely...when he is lovely iyswim)

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foothesnoo · 26/08/2008 15:13

Deany he's only five. Why on earth do your family dislike him? Do you think that your reaction to his behaviour was in proportion or that you feel you need to show your family you are dealing with him effectively?

deanychip · 26/08/2008 15:14

feel calmer now.
Im going to go and talk to him in a moment.

am calmer, need to know why he did that, he will tell me.

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MascaraOHara · 26/08/2008 15:15

you called it him on here.. if you feel negatively about him he will pick up on.. regardless of what you say to his face.

deanychip · 26/08/2008 15:17

my family are all mad!
thye are all of the opinion that kids should be seen sitting quietly, not talking or moving....i dont, my son is funny, loud at times and we have a great active family life. He is too much for themt to tolerate, his cousins all adore him btw, its my sisters and parents that dont. They were the same with us when we were kids, we were too scared to speak...thats not what i want for my child.

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deanychip · 26/08/2008 15:20

damned right he has picked up on the fact that i am not happy with him bullying, at this precise moment i am mad with him for unacceptable behaviour,

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juuule · 26/08/2008 15:21

Has he told you what happened, yet?

mrz · 26/08/2008 15:22

deanychip you've done the best thing giving yourself time and space to calm down now go and find out his side of things. It may be he's reacted inappropriately to something his cousin has done and if so he needs to know he can't hurt others.

deanychip · 26/08/2008 15:22

Honestly they are all mad, their opinion means squat to me.
Im not so sure if dn would tell him something like that...although the last time we saw her, she did tell him that he wasnt allowed to go to her house because her mum doesnt like him"
He didnt react to it, and i gave him toms of reassurance because i have sheilded it fromhim always.

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HonoriaGlossop · 26/08/2008 15:23

I know you were cross but I think you shouldn't allow yourself to think of him in those awful words - he is not a f*ing bully, he is a little child who needs to learn....I know you didn't say it to him but it's really important he doesn't think of himself like that. He's only five. Give him the boundaries and the time and he will learn.

And don't bother with your family visits with him; he shouldn't have to work that hard to prove his worth to people who have that bizarre view of children. I'm sure if you weren't operating under those expectations you wouldn't have been so cross about what he did, which was utterly normal (though not nice, clearly)

deanychip · 26/08/2008 15:23

am going to chat to him....

Thanks to those of you who have been lovely and who "get it". thats all i wanted, just a shoulder to cry on for a moment. Thanks x

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hecate · 26/08/2008 15:24

He's still just a baby. 5 years old. I've got stuff in my FRIDGE older than that! I can understand that it must have been totally shocking to witness that, and you did the right thing by immediatly leaving - removing them instantly is always the best thing. It's easy to sit here and type that it would have been better to do it calmly, but I can understand that your shock got the better of you.

Could he be jealous?

Is he anxious about starting/going back to school?

Is someone else bullying him?

Remember that at that age, it is all about THEM, what he is doing, he is doing because of how he is feeling - scared, overwhelmed, frustrated...he may not even be able to articulate what the matter is, but something will be wrong with him and he needs you even more when he does this, than he does when he's being gorgeous. But you know that. You love him and you want to help him, but you are human too and it was a shocking thing for you.

I think it might be good to open the conversation by apologising for losing your temper - after all, you can't tell him off for being aggressive if your response to his aggressiveness is aggression. It will confuse him.

I feel really sorry for you because it is horrible when your child does something like this (ds1 used to be very violent in his case it was because he's autistic - not an excuse just an explanation!!, so I know how it feels to see them lose it.) I feel sorry for him too because it's not nice for him to feel so out of control.

Hope it goes well.
xx

susiecutiebananas · 26/08/2008 15:24

gosh, I really feel for you. It must be utterly horrible for you to see.

I think that as much as it's SO hard, you have to try to focus on the positive, good things he does. I do of course mean, after time has passed on this incident.

Children really respond to reward. by reward I mean soft rewards, such as praise and love and attention. Just for a little while- maybe a few weeks, ignore, at home, the shitty stuff and make an effort to actually reinforce the good stuff. i.e. every time he is doing something you like, tell him. i.e. playing quietly, reading, eating well, anything hat doesn't make you wish he wasn't yours...

Just little pats on his back, or gentle " well done Ds, thats really nice, I love it when you read nicely " etc..

He will undoubtedly be picking up hugely on the negative feeling you have towards him. Which is totally understandable too.( your feelings ) Only, it becomes a vicious cycle. He is getting attention, BIG attention, and an amazing reaction from you when he does something like this. To a young child, any attention is good to them, how ever bad it is. IYSWIM.

Take a step back, maybe even sit down and write stuff down. when was the last time he did something, however little, that was good behaviour? When was the last time you encouraged it, openly, praised him, told him that it was good.

If the only 'attention' he gets is when he's done a really horrible thing, then he will settle for that.

NONE of what I am saying is intended to sound like you don't. I am not suggesting that he doesn't get any attention from you at all and he is craving it. Honestly I'm not. I'm just being pragmatic about it. trying to break it down a little, so that you can too.

Going back to the 'ignoring' the bad stuff, of course he needs to know that he cannot do things like that to other childen. he needs 'punishing' . However there are ways to 'punish' without resulting to huge things.

Have you ever tried time out? If he does something so terrible, try time out.
Keep calm, DON"T shout and steam at him, this is such a great response to him... calmly say, that it is un acceptable. make sure your tone shows your utter disapporoval of what he's just done, tell him the same.

take him to a quiet part of where ever you are, sit him down, talk to him eye to eye and tell him he will sit there and think about what he has done.

no one will talk to him until he's sat there for 5 minutes. >He will be returned every time he moves.

when he's had his full, un-interrupted 5 minutes, go back and talk to him again, ask him what he thinks he should do. suggest he should apologise to his cousin and her mummy etc...

whilst he is in 'time out' talk to your sister explain what you are doing, ask for her support etc... ( or whoever it is )

NONE of my post is criticising you. I hope you can see that? I understand how frustrated ad upset you must be by it all.

maybe just give it a go? talk to your DH, see what he thinks. Another option, is to go to a child behavioral psychologist, ( GP referral ) and see what they suggest. Good luck, ad please, don't despair. Things will get better, given time and a huge huge amount of effort and patience.

juuule · 26/08/2008 15:24

Completely agree with HG.

mrz · 26/08/2008 15:26

I do think your family's opinion matters to you because it obviously upsets you very much (which is natural) but please try not to let it get between you and your son.

dittany · 26/08/2008 15:28

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Lizzylou · 26/08/2008 15:29

Deanychip, hope things get better soon.
My 4.5yr old DS1 has had a personality change in the past week and is being an utter nightmare, am at a loss.
Poor you, hope your DS is OK and understand that what he did was wrong.

deanychip · 26/08/2008 15:31

He is asleep, bless him.
I am going to appologise to him for losing my temper.

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deanychip · 26/08/2008 15:37

every night at bed time, we look at books, we have a "chat about his day" (which he loves) and i list to him 5 things that have made me happy and smile about him and that i have been very very pleased with him about that day.

I make a point of never talking about bad things.
we rub along quite nicely for the most part and diet has a big impact on his behaviour.

My family i just avoid, its been a few months since we have been to my mothers so armed with blackberries, i decided we would stay for 10 mins. This is as long as i can stand it.

I am very much of the positive praise camp, simply because it works for him.

just once in a while, i get completely and utterly dumbstruck at his actions.
today was one of those days unfortunately.

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