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Please tell me that all 5 year old girls are the devil incarnate

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fannybanjo · 16/05/2008 11:40

Because mine is. Life is becoming one long battle. Please reassure me she will grow out of it as I also have an 8 month DD and I am not looking forward to reliving this stage again.

She has become "mean". She barely acknowledges her baby sister, is cocky to me and her dad and I have heard her being quite mean to her friend (who gives as good as she gets). She just doesn't seem to realise how her behaviour is wrong. I have taken privileges away but what else can I do?

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rebelmum1 · 16/05/2008 13:56

my dd constantly tries to negotiate which is very very wearing.

rebelmum1 · 16/05/2008 13:57

eh? they are manipulative, deliberately crying, weeing on the floor to what they want, how else would you describe it?

nailpolish · 16/05/2008 13:58

i dont think of it like that, sorry

rebelmum1 · 16/05/2008 13:59

perhaps you don't understand the meaning if you think it's sad

nailpolish · 16/05/2008 14:00

i understand what it means, thanks

cory · 16/05/2008 14:03

I always do like your posts, Issy!

I think one has to accept that people have different personalities. The OP mentioned that she and her partner argue quite a bit. Now I would think that perfectly dreadful because it doesn't happen in my house- dh and I usually resolve our difficulties by laughing together. No, seriously folks, I'm trying to get something across here. Which is that dh and I aren't actually forcing ourselves to follow some wonderful system, because we're such clever people; it just so happens that this comes naturally to us, because we're fairly laidback people. It's a question of personality - and of personal chemistry.

Dd, on the other hand, was very temperamental when she was little and still is more of a drama queen than either of us. In fact, she reminds me of my Mum, who (though lovely) is much more of a foot-stamping door-slamming person. It's a question of personality.

What I have tended to do is to insist (calmly) on the rules being followed but ignore any attendant stroppiness. The result has been good: we have a good relationship, and these days we can usually laugh together at her dramatic tendencies.

I am not a great one for escalating punishments at the best of times, nor sticker charts either; I want a system that allows all unpleasantness to be put away and forgotten at the end of the day.

Funnily enough ds, who was a beautifully docile and compliant child until age 7, has now entered a stroppy phase. Nothing to do with our parenting methods, I'm sure; but we're trying to deal with him in the same way.

Another thing is, we have always stressed the demarcation between public and private, explaining that you can show your feelings at home, but not necessarily in front of other people. Neither dd or ds has ever been in trouble at school, and teachers always speak of how lovely they are.

imaginaryfriend · 16/05/2008 14:03

In my mind behaviour is not maniuplative when it's so transparent.

... deliberately weeing on the floor? Really? I wouldn't be keen on that.

rebelmum1 · 16/05/2008 14:20

Yes imaginary my dd deliberately wees on the floor when I'm busy and not responding to her because she knows I don't like it and that I know she does it on purpose it then follows by a 'oops sorry I missed' which is obviously not true.. the reason she does this is to change my reaction thus getting me to change my original position and direct my attention towards her which is 'manipulation'..

she deliberately does naughty things when she doesn't get her own way..

motherinferior · 16/05/2008 14:32

Christ, mine are total drama queens: but they're still quite easy to get along with, dammit.

cory · 16/05/2008 16:30

I think also that our perceptions of who is easy to get along with vary according to how confident we feel. It may be that you get along fine with your drama queens, motherinferior, because you are confident enough to enjoy all their positive sides.

Sometimes when I read posts on MN they do read as if the poster is getting a bit bogged down by one aspect of a child's behaviour.

Issy · 16/05/2008 16:42

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Anchovy · 16/05/2008 17:00

I think I agree with Marina's post, that actually now is almost a key transitional age. (My DD is rising 5).

Things that were funny as a toddler - imperious behaviour, self-centredness, the 'world revolves around me' mindset - things that we loved and commented on and pretty much encouraged are, I think, much less attractive in a 6 or 7 year old and as I don't think you can flick a behavioural switch at 6, I think you have to start phasing it out at about this age.

My DD is sassy, articulate and hugely funny, but we do keep a fairly stern eye open for precocious behaviour. I'm very unaccepting of rude or diva'ish behaviour, I have to say - and reading this sounds like I have a fairly low threshold comparatively.

DD does get massively tired out by things, and when she is tired she can really disintegrate. I find it eay to forget, because she is so articulate, that she is quite small still and really still does need snacks and rests and idle pottering. Agree with Issy that just the whole negotiating of a day at school can be exhausting - throw an activity on top of that and we have a recipe for disaster chez Anchovy.

fannybanjo · 16/05/2008 20:02

Good post Issy, what you say re personalities is what I think but haven't the intellect to put into words!

DD has been the model child since she has been home from school. Obviously they browse Mumsnet in Reception class.

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mastersstudent · 19/05/2008 15:47

Hi,

This is a message for fannybanjo and rebelmum1, and any other mum who has similar concerns about their child.

I wonder if you might take a look at my post here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/66/529247

If you'd like to get in touch, I'd be very grateful. And of course I'd be happy to share the results of my research so far, which I hope might be of some use.

Thanks,

Georgia

mimsum · 19/05/2008 22:38

I do get very fed up with so many people saying "if you do x then y will definitely follow" e.g. if you model kind, polite behaviour then your dcs will copy you with the implication that if your dcs aren't kind and polite all the time that you aren't doing a very good job as parents

one thing that having three dcs has taught me is the power of personality - all three of mine are markedly different - one gets into trouble at home and school, one would rather be eaten by crocodiles than get into trouble anywhere, ever and the other (my 5 year old dd) is an angel at school and can be pretty hideous at home

children are much, much more complicated than behaviourists would have you believe

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