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All thoughts on mini-PPHs excessive and knackering clinginess gratefully received...

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PrincessPeaHead · 22/04/2007 10:03

This may be long

MiniPPH (15 months) is clingy beyond belief, and it is getting to the stage where it is seriously hampering my ability to get anything done, my ability to do much with the other children, and my enjoyment of her. Which isn't good. And I don't understand why or what I can do about it (if anything), so I thought I'd tap into the combined wisdom of MNetters as I'm sure someone will be able to shine a light...

She has been pretty shy from a v early age, never really liked strangers, does that princess diana thing of no eye contact but peep under her eyelashes every so often to see if they are still there. Definition of strangers very wide and includes grandmothers if she hasn't seen them for a fortnight. Basically the people she feels comfortable with are those she sees every day - me, dh, children, nanny, cleaner and gardener. She loves all of those and is as demanding with them a she is with me.

At Xmas (11months) we had 20 people for lunch, all close family (grandparents, aunts uncles and cousins) and I spent most of it with her in a room by ourselves because she was so distraught at all of these people LOOKING at her and god forbid talking to her.

Now she is really only happy and content if one of the favoured adults is carrying her on a hip, or sitting right beside her as she plays. For short periods of time if she is in the middle of some interesting play she might allow you to get up and walk to the other side of the room to do something without screaming blue murder, but if you leave the room she goes mad.

She is a particular daddys girl and if I'm sitting beside her on the floor playing quietly and DH walks in, says something to me and goes away again she is INCONSOLABLE until he comes back and picks her up.

It has now got to the stage where if you are standing up with her on your hip and you dare to sit down (with her still on your lap), she goes bananas - screams, throws herself about, goes red in the face, tears - the MOMENT you stand up again it all switches off like a tap and she sits quietly with a slightly outraged expression on her face that you should have committed such a crime.

If you put her on the floor to do something (take a boiling saucepan off the floor, butter toast which you CAN'T do with a child on your hip) she screams, cries and often bangs her forehead on the ground. We have a stone floor in the kitchen and she often has big lumpy eggs on her head.

She is a big girl, can walk but gets hardly any practice because she insists on being carried. She weighs a ton and I now have sciatica quite badly, probably because my hip is thrown out all the time carrying her.

Basically I'm not enjoying her at this stage at all, it is very wearing on me and on the other three children who are effectively living with a tyrant ordering all the adults about despite their needs, and I really need to know
a) if there is anything I can do to manage her a bit to either make this stage more bearable or (holy grail) actually break this habit and/or
b) if it is just a stage, HOW LONG WILL IT LAST????

None of my others were like this at all and I don't think I've done anything differently with her. I don't leave babies to scream for anything - my modus operandi is to meet their needs and make them feel loved and secure but in my other three that actually made for happy little toddlers who were really independent and happy to do their own thing as long as they knew where you were (ie bird happy if you were in the same room albeit doing something dull like making lunch).

Please help!
Thanks for reading this far, my most epic post ever, in 4 years of mumsnetting

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PrincessPeaHead · 22/04/2007 10:04

(that should be boiling saucepan off the STOVE), must preview

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WelshBoris · 22/04/2007 10:07

Someone will answer this PPH, but you can't keep carrying her if it is affecting your health.

Must be pants to see her upset. Hope someone with lots of parenting experience and a lot more common sense than me comes along soon.

WelshBoris · 22/04/2007 10:07

Malory and I are a great help aren't we ?

PrincessPeaHead · 22/04/2007 10:09

just knowing that you think it is a PITA/pants helps

thought I might get a bit of "that is toddlers for you, grow up"

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littlemissbossy · 22/04/2007 10:14

sounds like just a phase TBH
I would suggest that you all - including daddy, nanny, cleaner, etc - be consistent and make her walk, stop the constant picking up. That in itself will be exhausting no doubt but you all need to break the habit and take control. At the moment she knows that someone will always pick her up. BTW I understand about the stone floors, my youngest DS had many a golf ball on his head - but they all learn in the end.

PrincessPeaHead · 22/04/2007 10:15

yes I do try and do that, but I can't ignore her when she is banging her head on a stone floor

if I ignore her upstairs (for example because I very selfishly would like to have a dump without her on my lap, bad mother) she can keep a tantrum going for AGES, and she then sort of gets stuck in it - even when I pick her up she keeps going and flailing about and wailing until I do something unexpected to break it. Like give her a toothbrush - then she suddenly stops wailing, stops flailing, clutches the toothbrush and looks at me accusingly like she is saying "thank you. this is just what I wanted all along and if you had just given me a toothbrush 10 minutes ago I wouldn't have had to throw a paddy"

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prufrock · 22/04/2007 10:16

It really does sound like a PITA pph. I have no ideas on how to make her not want to be on your hip, but as a short term fix for the back pain have you considered getting a hippychick

WendyWeber · 22/04/2007 10:16

Boarding school?

Twiglett · 22/04/2007 10:16

oh poor you

can't stand clingy children .. or singing children in high-pitched voices for that matter

off-the-top of my head

what do you think might happen if you put her down somewhere soft and she starts screaming? she's not going to hurt herself .. maybe you should try it for a few minutes at a time

put her down somewhere safe and go and sit on the sofa .. perhaps a calming sound / gabble directed at her .. go and pick her up when she appears to be starting to calm down and give her the attention there

gradually extend the amount of time you leave her until you will only pick her up when she's calm

try to teach her self-calming? never to early to learn to take deep breaths and blow out the candle

maybe?

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Twiglett · 22/04/2007 10:18

get a playpen and fill it with cushions?

LadyTophamHatt · 22/04/2007 10:19

PPH, no experience of this as mine have been the same as your older ones(we'll find out about ds4 soon i suspect) but my friend has a little girl who sounds exactly as you describe miniPPH.

I've seen her head banging in
action at playgroup and her mother almost in tears because she's so tired of the constantly needy small person(it's her 3rd)

BUT, at playgroup the other day I asked how she was and her mum was overjoyed to tell me how there hadn't been any headbanging and clingyness for a while saying "she really seems to have come out the other side....she's like a different child"

So, fingers crossed mini PPH will do the same.

littlemissbossy · 22/04/2007 10:22

play pen in the kitchen is a good idea

foxinsocks · 22/04/2007 10:22

oh dear, poor you. One of mine was clingy (and still is a bit I suppose) and it was very very wearing.

I don't know how you can break the habit - she may just turn out to be a child that takes a bit of time to get to know those around her and then gets on with it. You know, the sort who observe from the sideline before they get involved.

She doesn't sound unhappy - just very vocal in her needs.

In terms of how long it lasts - well, you probably don't want to hear that but I would imagine it's very child dependent. It's probably as much the shock for you as she's different to the other mini-pphs as anything else.

I think, for your own sanity, she'll have to get used to being put down. Is there anything she's particularly interested in (I mean, I know she's only 15 months - but something like music or books or bashing things?). Perhaps someone could come up with some toy ideas?

(ps, ds used to do that head banging thing - it is very upsetting).

PrincessPeaHead · 22/04/2007 10:24

oooh ooooh oooh LTH but HOW OLD IS SHE?

twig and littlemissbossy I'm sure you are right. I do think it is getting worse as it is a bit more engrained as a habit. I think half the problem is that life is just SO busy with four of them it is almost always easier and quicker to just pick her up to shut her up IYSWIM. But when the others are at school next week maybe we'll try a bit of calm ignoring to make her realise that the world doesn't end if she isn't on a hip...

I think a playpen would send her mad. As far as she is concerned she is about 3 - she hasn't let anyone feed her since about 7 months, she won't drink out of a bottle only a cup, she dropped her morning nap and all her milk apart from the morning one by about 10 months, she won't sit in the baby swing on the swingset, only in the pirate boat etc etc etc
And I do want her to start walking around

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PrincessPeaHead · 22/04/2007 10:30

hello foxy
yes I wouldn't mind at all if she was clingy in strange environments or even at home when there are strange people about (my eldest was definitely one of those "watch from the sidelines and only get involved once comfortable" children), but I can't cope with it when it is just us, at home, all the time.
she has lots of toys she likes but she still wants you to sit RIGHT beside her while she plays with them

Yup, I think you are all right. I'm going to have to be much stricter about picking her up - but still stay close so she doesn't feel abandoned.... I can hear the screams now!

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motherinferior · 22/04/2007 10:32

PPH, she sounds a little like DD2 although not as much: one thing I would say is book some osteopathy or suchlike for the hip. Huge sympathies. Am racking brians.

WideWebWitch · 22/04/2007 10:32

God it sounds wearing pph. Dd has always been a bit stranger wary, including grandmothers she hasn't seen for a while etc and the deal has mostly been with her that people do best if they don't engage her straight away, but wait until she's got used to them in the room/house. This even applies to ex dh, who is here at least twice a week for hours at a time and who she knows v well. She prefers to join in/talk to people at her own pace and hates anyway inviting her to join something before she's ready so even though she knows ex v well,she still needs to 'get used' to him all over again most times he's here. It's lessening a bit with him now but still. She doesn't sound quite as shy as your girl but i.e. when we got married she was about 2 and spent the WHOLE day attached to me like a limpet and there were only 17 people there so not a huge affair but a strange place and more people than she'd have liked.

She's got to grow out of it soon. Isn't this key separation anxiety time, I seem to think so.