To not give my son his vaccines?

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I've done my research and read a lot of things about how toxic the vaccines the NHS offer to parents for our children are. My local gp have asked me several times to give him his whooping cough and flu jab injections but I really don't want to. Read all sorts about how they have mercury in them (very poisonous for human bodies).

Any other parents agree or disagree?

Nellooo that link has made me cry and feel so angry at the same time. What the hell are people doing letting these awful diseases take hold again due to stupid scare mongering.

It's people like you who have enabled the return of measles, mumps etc as common illnesses. You're being ridiculous.

OP, sadly some people make a lot of money out of spreading antivax propaganda. Others pass it along in all innocence, believing that "doing nothing" is somehow safer than taking advantage of modern medicine to protect their loved ones, and not realising that what they are doing by passing on antivax fear campaigns is funding a new swimming pool/car/house for a cynical, unethical piece of lying scum. It's written very carefully to be so, so convincing to anyone without the extensive medical background required to see the gaps and misdirections.

My son was born in 2012. 14 little babies died of whooping cough that year. A horrible, horrible way to die.

Please take your son for his vaccinations. "Nature" culls large numbers of babies early - we are extremely privileged to live in a time and place where we can protect our little ones from the cull, instead of having 8 children to only see 3 grow up, as my great grandmother had to do.

Note: my son luckily wasn't one of those statistics. Waiting for the first vaccination was pretty fucking horrible though. And without modern medicine he would have died later aged 3 of an entirely curable condition - he's now happy and healthy thanks to a little bit of surgery. If you'd trust the medics when your child is writhing and screaming in pain on a hospital trolley at 2am, then you should trust them now.

DD has just had 3 weeks off from college with whooping cough. She was vaccinated against it however we were told you have to vaccinate every year.
So those berating the op have a think when you last vaccinated against whooping cough. Your child might not actually be vaccinated.

A great cartoon showing vaccination safety

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There is more mercury in a tuna sandwich than in all the vaccinations your baby would have. I don't know what "research" you've done, but it isn't science.

There is no evidence that vaccines are harmful.

If we look at the measles vaccination - there has been a 79% drop in measles deaths since the vaccination. There are still 135,000 deaths from measles a year due to people like you not vaccinating. There have been zero deaths from the vaccine ever. Why would you not want your baby to have that?!

Please don't place your child in danger through ignorance and stupidity.

Oliversmumsarmy - if your DD is in college then unless she's a truly newsworthy prodigy, she's not at the high risk age - the vax is offered to pregnant women (I think most take it up? Don't know if the OP did.) and at 8 weeks on to protect babies at their most vulnerable point, when they are so small and fragile that the chance of whooping cough landing them in hospital is 50%, and 1 in 200 will die.

I wouldn't bet my son's life on those odds merely for the warm glow of feeling like a big ol' rebel.

You have not "done your research". Don't be fucking silly.

Ridiculous- it seems the only risk to your child is you not bloody vaccines!

Did your research consist of getting a medical degree, a doctorate, investigating vaccines and their effects and publishing your findings in internationally recognised peer-reviewed journals? If so, please share your findings. If not thrn please leave research to the experts - who strongly advicste vaccination.

Definitely not newsworthy several of her friends had it.

Whooping cough can strike at any age, so there is nothing newsworthy about cases in any particular age group.

And yes, the vaccine protection does wear off but AFAIK there are no plans to add further boosters to the NHS schedule (though they might become available locally in outbreak areas, or to cover groups living in close contact such as via university/college health services)

Yes, it's absolutely heartbreaking Schoolissue.

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Greg says it’s a good thing I wasn’t there for his last conscious hours. He was screaming and screaming as they got him ready for life support, I don’t know all the fine details, but I know he hadn’t had any milk in a long time, and that he would have been in a lot of pain from the needles and cannulas they were administering. Greg’s last memory of Riley conscious is of him screaming and distraught. That’s how my baby will last remember the world."

I'm wary of them.

Every day I see a grown man confined to a wheelchair with less than the functions of a ten month baby due to the effect the vaccines had on him.

It makes me VERY wary.

Have you watched some videos of kids with whooping cough ? Suggest you do as much research on the impact of the diseases themselves.

I can't believe you even considered not vaccinating your child, OP.

There are indeed risks associated with vaccines- severe allergic reactions, potentially fatal cytokine storms, pre-existing medical conditions being triggered by the vaccine and various other types of vaccine injury. There is lots and lots of literature available on these. I can provide academic refs if anybody would like them.

But these risks are very very very small, compared to the very real risk of contracting what can easily become a life threatening or life changing illness.

I've chosen to vaccinate my DS- because the balance of probability suggests he is much more likely to contract measles/mumps/whooping cough/rotavirus etc- especially living in London- than he is to have a long term adverse effect from vaccination.

Put another way:

If the choice were two roads to cross with your DC- one with light traffic, a 30mph speed limit and a green man crossing, but the slight chance a maniac driver might plough through a red light anyway- or a dual carriageway with no crossing, lots of high speed traffic and no pedestrian walkway- which would you pick?

That's sort of the decision you're making.

YABVU and I strongly disagree with you.

Not that you will be back to the thread though.

There are literally millions of children who have remained unaffected by the vaccines.

You do not want your child to catch one if the illnesses preventable by these vaccines.

I think you're being spectacularly irresponsible and V unreasonable.

Right, some facts for everyone:

1. Some people DO die or become very seriously ill as a direct result of vaccines - I'm getting this one over and done with first as it is not nice. However, those people will have had a previously unknown allergic reaction to one of the ingredients in the vaccines or have a previously undiagnosed compromised immune system. The Penn and Teller video a PP posted is a good example to show what the odds of death are between vaccinating and not vaccinating. I have every sympathy with those who have been affected by vaccinations though.

1. Even with vaccines that do contain mercury, as a PP stated a can of tuna contains more mercury than three or four vaccines. It takes quite a high dose of mercury to be harmful.

1. 'Some vaccines contain formaldehyde' - about 200% less formaldehyde than is in pears!

1. "Vaccines contain many other harmful chemicals" - Almonds contain cyanide for example. This article is good at showing how little we know about naturally occurring chemicals in food we eat all the time - at least with vaccines you can request an ingredient list to check for allergies and 'toxins'!

food-hacks.wonderhowto.com/news/food-chemistry-ingredients-organic-all-natural-fruits-eggs-are-not-what-youd-expect-0150653/