2nd dry night for ds 7.4. Is this it?!

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Ds has had very few dry nights in his life, and even fewer of these have been in a row.

At 5 he had his HUGE (surgeon said biggest he'd seen) tonsils and adenoids removed due to sleep apnea.
Dr had mentioned that his brain was so concerned about keeping him breathing, it didn't care if he wee'd but that this would likely resolve itself after surgery.
It did, for 3 nights.

Fast forward a couple of years solid of brick-heavy pants every morning (and occasional wet beds too despite pants), we are on our second morning in a row of bone dry pants.

I don't want to be too outwardly excited at home in front of ds as he can't control it, so I want to be excited here please!

Could this be it, or just a lucky streak?

Hello all, hope things are going well for you.

We are still doing well - 18 nights without the alarm now. I just have a quick question, DD has had two nights (one last week and then last night) where she has woken up as she started to wee. Stopped herself and got to the toilet, only needed to change her underwear as nothing on the bed. Should I be putting the alarm back on? I wasn't going to as she hasn't fully wet the bed but thought I'd ask what you do.

Thanks

Hi August, probably a bit late now, but I think we told ds we would remove the alarm after a dry week, meaning he either slept through dry, or woke when he needed the loo himself before he started peeing

Thanks, we didn't put it back on and she had been dry but last night she was quite wet - although still nothing on the bed strangely - so we are putting the alarm back on tonight :(

All positive steps towards the end goal though, I think we were bizarrely lucky with ds.

Hi all, I'm primarily bouncing for a new arrival from Children's Health, but as I'm here, I'll update.

DS wore his alarm over Christmas when his sleep was disrupted, but never needed it. First week at school and w/e were ticketty boo without it - but v large glass of milk and late night after Cubs on Mon put paid to that! One more wet one. Hey ho; it's still only been 3-4 wet ones since October.

Hi there everyone without reading through 556 messages has anyone any information on what our child can drink we have been on water and milk only for 5 days now history is 8.5 years only ever 1 dry night have tried demstrotabs with no success not tried alarm as she is a deep sleeper and was upset at the thought of the alarm family history of elder siblings not being dry until 15 still in dry nights, wet every morning please any advice would be of appreciation thank you in advance

hi weekend

I believe it is just blackcurrant and stuff with caffeine that it's best to avoid.
Increasing their drinks during the day can be very helpful too.

Have you looked at the ERIC website?

Do sit down and have a read through of this thread if you get the chance, so much advice on here

When you get some time, do read the thread, as it's full of advice and our up and down journeys. We had no medical help, but used Mumsnet and a Wet-Stop alarm

We avoid citrus and black currant - but don't drink them anyway, iyswim, so I don't think what DS drinks makes any difference.

We usually now try to limit big drinks before bed, but the alarm is what really helped our very, very deep sleeper, who is now 8.2, and has been mostly dry since October. We pop the alarm back on when he has a lapse.

Yes, you must buy a wet stop or lemon will be round

August - we have a policy of putting the alarm back on for a night or two if he has a wet one. Otherwise he is like a cat on a hot tin roof, and simply won't settle. As he knows it would wake him up, he does sleep. We'd do the same for a near miss too, I think.

Egg

Thank you for the acknowledgements, i shall speak to her to see if she is happy to try a alarm we have one somewhere,, tried it before but she just worked herself up that she could not use it however that was some time ago, i know that the tablets work for some and not others and we have tried them on and of for a while , if nothing else its just reassuring talking to people who have children in the same position, there are always so many do gooders ( or so called friends ) that dont experience it but have so much knowledge to give you

Oh also what can i give her to drink that has a flavour to it??

No one here will try to tell you just to try without the Drynites! We've all had our fair share of "helpful" friends.

My DS has found hearing me talk about the other children on Mumsnet to be very helpful, and we point out that they wouldn't make Drynites up to age 15 if there were no need for them. One in ten is another good illustration - meaning that there are two others in her class in the same boat.

I explained to ds that brains learn things.
Walking, talking, waking up to wee.
I said that the alarm would just help his brain learn the feeling of a full bladder.

Yy to pointing out in the shops that the drynites go up to age 15.

Ds drinks orange squash, peach high juice, water, milk, and various fruit juices.

lemon and egg thank you both so so very mush, i have ordered alarms just now, had a little pre bed chat and she is willing ( at the moment ) to try nothing to loose ,, everything to gain,, finally hopeful of at least being heard,, thank you lovely people xxx

You're very welcome, we all used this thread as a diary really, feel free to do the same, we'll be here

Welcome properly! We're here to listen and, as Egg said, we've all used the thread as a diary, so you can follow our journeys.

How's it going all?

Hi All,

I found this thread a while ago and read it all, you guys are experts!

I'm wondering what you would do in my situation. DS2 who is now 6, had never had a dry night by last summer so I spoke to the school nurse. His elder brother was not reliably dry until 7.5yrs but he did start having the occasional dry night by 4yrs, so I thought DS2 might take even longer as he had never had even one dry night by the age of 5.5yrs. She referred me to the school continence advisor who got me to compare morning wee to daytime wee which showed he is producing the hormone they need.

Her main piece of advice was then to get him to drink more. We did this a bit half heartedly in the summer and had the occasional dry night (the first ever). Then I stopped making the effort for the autumn term and we didn't have one dry night. Just before Christmas I got back on with it, made him a chart and he has been so good at drinking enough (and no blackcurrant). Over Christmas we had 80-90% dry nights, but since he has gone back to school it has turned to more like 10-20% dry nights.

I don't know whether to persist with the drinking, or try an alarm, or put him back in pull ups (which would feel a bit like failing but the washing is getting me down).

I don't know if he is a bit young for an alarm really as he was only 6 in December. He never wakes up in the night, just wakes up as normal in the morning wet (just like his older brother did).

Any advice greatly appreciated!

PS situation not helped this morning by someone at school saying they just took both their children out of night time pull ups when they potty trained them as it stopped them getting lazy

You could do all 3!
Big see through bottle for school, draw a couple of lines on it, first line by break, second by lunch, finished by pick up type thing?
We used pull ups right to the bitter end because I'm lazy ds was happy to.

I was quite lucky in that we didn't encounter any attitudes like you mentioned, but tbh we didn't really talk about it.
In all honesty, I didn't know much about it when dd was younger, no idea about the hormone etc so could have said stupid stuff

Hi All
Welcome Shiny - I would persist with the drinking and try the alarm - we don't use pullups as we had already removed them to see if DD could do it on her own without the alarm. She couldn't but has been pretty good with the alarm and rarely wees enough to get on the bed.

I think the change in routine when they go back to school can have an effect, we had reached 3.5 weeks without the alarm and dry but since going back to school we had to put the alarm back on. I also wonder whether the cold is not helping (we have a very cold house) as DS2 who is almost 4 and still in pullups, has been pretty wet every morning for a few weeks when before that he had been almost dry.

So we have been back to up and down, few dry then few damp with the alarm followed by two soaked beds - not sure what happened there but I think she might have unplugged the alarm and gone back to sleep. Then we have had two nights dry where she slept right through! Nothing to do but keep going and hope we get another long stretch soon.

Thanks ladies, you're lovely.

Yes I will carry on with the drinking, I don't want to lose the momentum now he has got really into it.

Maybe I should try an alarm then, I just wasn't sure if he would still be a bit young for that. Also he never wakes up wet in the night, just wakes up in the morning, so it would make a significant difference in terms of sleep interruption for all of us (maybe that's why I'm reluctant to do it really, I just don't want to get up in the night!) Also it seems a bit mean to put him through the hassle of an alarm when I could just put him back in pull ups for a bit longer.

I guess I should have a chat with him about it and see how he feels about the whole thing.

We are still here too...........

The Paediatrician had put DD on the Desmomelts and Ditropan. Day time wetting has pretty much stopped now but nighttime still all over the place. I don't want her taking 2 lots of medication if it isn't helping her. So we agreed with him to stop the medication today and to try the alarm route. I am now away to look into the Wet-Stop.