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How can i stop my dd being horrid with other children.

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twinsetandpearls · 07/10/2005 11:15

I run mother and toddler groups and take my dd to work with me. I work for a charity and many of the children have "issues" or may not be as well dressed as other kids.

My dd has always been very good until the past few weeks, she has recently turned into a at times unpleasant snotty little madam. I asked dp to come to work with me yesterday to see if he thought the same and he did. If she is at an art and craft table her creation is better than anyone elses. Yesterday she was nudging children out of the way to be closest to me at story time. She swans about the room as if she owns the place. She is alays saying I am cleverer than her aren't I mummy, or trying to dominate toys.

My dd is always beautifully dressed and does get commented on a lot, alhthough I never allow her to wear labels and most of it is second hand - and she has become aware of this. Yesterday while waiting to go into nursery a little girl asked her if my dd liked her jeans. My dd looked her up and down and said "No, I think they are horrible" The little girl then ran off and told her Mum who then spent 5 minutes glaring and tutting at us. I told dd off and said we all like different things and that we should't say mean things.

I can't bear snotty selfish vain children, one of the reasons I am gald to be out of my marriage is to get away from an environemnt of flashy one upmanship and snobbery and it upsets me to see my daughter showing these very qualities?

Will this end? Is it a phase? As my own parents rarely praised me perhaps I have overcompenstaed with my own dd and this is all my own fault.

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TheRtHonBaronessEnidOBE · 07/10/2005 11:48

sorry x posted

puddle · 07/10/2005 11:48

I think it's too much pressure to put on yourself and your dd to have a job that is conditional on your dd's good behaviour to be honest. Agree with Enid.

twinsetandpearls · 07/10/2005 11:48

Even if i were to stop work, I would still have to deal with her being a snotty madam the rest of the time!

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TheRtHonBaronessEnidOBE · 07/10/2005 11:49

yes puddle sums it up I think. sorry twinset.

twinsetandpearls · 07/10/2005 11:49

If she wasn't capable of being good puddle I would agree with you, but she has managed it until very recently.

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TheRtHonBaronessEnidOBE · 07/10/2005 11:51

OK if I were you and if i really loved my job and felt things would be easier once my dd was at school I would arrange proper childcare and effectively do the job for nothing for a year.

Miaou · 07/10/2005 11:51

what do you think of the sticker chart idea twinset? Would that help to sort the behaviour do you think?

twinsetandpearls · 07/10/2005 11:53

I started the job as a vounteer just after dd was born, I then worked under someone so dd wasn't so much of an issue.

I now get paid a nominal amount for the job as the organistion felt unhappy at the hours I was putting in on a voluntary basis and also it meant I had to give some kind of commitment.

The job is very very important to me, i set up the group from scratch and I know if I were to go it would collapse as there are few people willing to put in the hours I do for so little money.

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twinsetandpearls · 07/10/2005 11:54

She used to ahve a good girl book which was a bit like a sticker chart - maybe I should resurrect it.

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TheRtHonBaronessEnidOBE · 07/10/2005 11:56

I work for a charity twinset and dont get paid very much at all. I spend a huge proportion of my salary on tax and childcare and earn bugger all. but I love my job.

Option for a year or so? You will be amazed how much more you will be abale to offer without dd there.

TracyK · 07/10/2005 11:59

is she the same age as the others?

maybe you should ignore it for a while and see if it passes. I'm sure most kids would go through this phase if they see their mummy playing with other children and try and get their attention back.

plus i'm sure the other children don't even notice it.

I know ds gets jealous if dh is cuddling me and tried to muscle in between us.

puddle · 07/10/2005 12:00

I think the good girl book would work if she realised what she is doing wrong. But it's a really hard one to explain to her isn't it? I think the nastiness to other children you descibe is ok to tackle but you are asking her to understand that you behave differently in different settings and that your job depends or her ability to share you with lots of other children and not get the kind of praise and attention from you that she is used to. I think that's hard at 4 - I know lots of children still struggle with it at 5 and 6 - from the anecdotal evidence I have from friends who help out in their children's class. Sorry to be negative - I do sympathise and it sounds like a great thing you are doing.

mrsmoons · 07/10/2005 12:06

I have to say twinset, I also agree with baroness Enid. I was a volunteer helper for preschool which my ds attended. I lost out on a paid job with the preschool because of very similar problems. The committee decided to give the job to someone else, and i know it was because of the attention-seeking antics of my sonand the fact that I was very stressed when he was there and it rubbed off on me - not good when you're dealing with lots of kids. he is now at school and I am still a volunteer, only REALLY enjoying it now (and have been offered some paid work )

twinsetandpearls · 07/10/2005 12:08

I did do the job for nothing for a long time Enid and when dd was playing up just before her second birthday I actually found myself paying to work as I put her in childcare.

But that was when I was a single parent on benefits and could afford to do that. Now that I have a partner who works and we have recently found ourselves £1200 a month worse off I just don't think I can afford to subsidise my working. I may only come out with £50 a week but with things as they are at the moment I can't afford to loose that.

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TheRtHonBaronessEnidOBE · 07/10/2005 12:12

well I have said my piece

if you want to carry on with it do - but I think it is unfair to expect dd to fit in with your work and you will have to expect the behaviour. I think common courtesy could be rewarded by a sticker chart (eg saying 'your jeans are horrible') but I think you will have to accept that she finds the situation difficult. Hope things improve for you.

twinsetandpearls · 07/10/2005 12:13

MrsMoons the thng is my boss loves me to bring dd to work with me - for all her snottiness they see her as an assett not a minus. She is a very confident child who usually starts off an activity allowing the less confident ones to follow, the kids adore her ( even when she is bing a madam) and my boss likes the way she is not a "perfect "child that Ia t times ahve to discipline her in the group. She thinks it makes me more "real" and "approachable"

I am not ignoring what you are saying it is just that being a SAHM and this project means so much to me and I have almost made it to the end and done a bloody good job. It seems sad that i may now need to give up a job I adore and is beneficial to others so close to dd starting school.

I will talk to dd again, resurrect the good girl book, if that doesn't work I will then cut down my hours before giving up all together.

Just to throw a spanner into the works, I have just completed my childminding registration in another attempt to combine being a SAHM and being able to pay the bills.

Wish me luck.

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twinsetandpearls · 07/10/2005 12:16

Thanks Enid, I wasn;t ignoring your advice, I was just trying to come to the best answer for everyone including my dd who loves coming to work with me and looks at me in horror when i suggest she goes to nursery instead.

But as I have just said I may have to stop work altogether.

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TheRtHonBaronessEnidOBE · 07/10/2005 12:16

sorry, just one last thing

ignore your boss, your dd isn't the reason you are employed there. Also I think its a crock tbh, the kids I look after much prefer to have me without dd.

I promise I will shut up now.

LadyCodofCodford · 07/10/2005 12:17

But i think all t eh business fo her doign stuff for the other kids may give her an idea of her own imprtance that she neednt get,
i.e will get too big for her boots.

I thihk you need to go wto wrok without her.

LadyCodofCodford · 07/10/2005 12:17

and do you think your boss is just being polite?
people always sayt hat but dont mean it a lot of the time

mrsmoons · 07/10/2005 12:41

Aww twinset, I do appreciate the situation you're in. Haven't go anything more useful to add, other than Good Luck, and remember that all children go through horrid or difficult phases, and usually, just as you are at your wits' end, they fgrow out of them. (usually, then they grow into another even worse phase

nailpolish · 07/10/2005 14:51

well i think it would be good for your dd to spend some time at a nursery without you - for a million reasons

i think you should send her to a nursery (even 2 afternoons a week, for 3 hrs or so)

you are entitled to a free place, and its extrememly good for children to spend time with their peers. she will soon be at school after all, and little madam will not be tolerated there

aloha · 07/10/2005 15:19

My mum is, amoung other things, a ballet teacher. I used to go to the ballet/dancing school where she taught. I was a NIGHTMARE in her classes. I once threw my tap shoes across the room because I was missing Scooby Doo but not for her!
I just couldn't deal with her being MY mum, but also teaching me in a group. Is there anyone at all who would have her as a favour for a few hours? She sounds very grown up and easy to look after.

nailpolish · 07/10/2005 15:20

aloha, so was it you in my dance class! your initials arent SW are they? see below.

aloha · 07/10/2005 15:30

No not me Nailpolish! I wasn't even any good!