How would you pronounce this name Kaelan or Kaylan

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We have finally found the name we are wanting to call our son.

I love the spelling “Kaelan” pronounced “Kay- Lan” but I am worried people would call him “KEE-LAN”

or do we have to make it obvious for people and spell it out as “Kaylan”

Yes they do.

@user746016 I think that's appalling.
Judging people because their name begins with a K.

There is less of an impact if you consider older names. So our prime minister has a K name but it's an established "older" name" in UK culture. Kenneth would also not trigger the same associations (although in the absence of indications to the contrary might lead to assumptions that the applicant is older)

Edited to add - The same with girls names. Kate or Katherine would not trigger the same associations. Kayleigh on the other hand would. It's more prevalent with K names and more prevalent with male K names but it's fundamentally there with any names perceived to be "made up". There's a racism element to it too.

Whether you think it's appalling or not, it's something that exists. Racism is appalling but it exists. Likewise homophobia.

Well I AM shocked it exists.
It bloody well shouldn't (along with racism, homophobia etc).
Why are humans so horrible to one another?
It's depressing.

Its human nature to make assumptions.

If you have CVs in front of you from a person named "Kayshon" and person names "Charles" most people will make certain assumptions. Not necessarily consciously.

Likewise if you have a CV from a "Chardonnay-May" and an "Emma"

@user746016 perhaps everyone should just have identity numbers then 🤷
Or people should stop being so snobby.

The racism element is interesting. I can see that being applicable in the US, due to African American naming trends (caused by their forcible removal from their cultural roots).

However, in the U.K., these sorts of names are very much ‘white working class’. Ethnic minorities generally have names from their culture or (in the case of some Caribbeans) really traditional British names. While I’m sure there are ethnic minorities called Kayden, etc, I’d think it was fairly rare for anyone who didn’t have at least one white working class parent.

For the piece of work you did, was there any research we could read? I find this sort of stuff fascinating?

Many employers now take all personal information off applications. This includes names, age, school etc. They are increasingly even removing the name of the University you attended.

The work I was personally involved in is ongoing research into a particular niche area so not yet published. There are various other studies though regarding the perception of names.

Oh, I’ve read quite a bit of the research that’s currently out there. Just hadn’t seen what you were describing specifically and thought it sounded interesting.

Anyway, your job sounds like fun!

That's really weird. Do people really think that?
Not weird at all. Yes,

Over my many years I've known boys/men called Kyle, Kevin, Kayden, Keith, Kelvin, Keegan, Kai, Kelly (yes a boy), Kenny.
Most of those are dated and suggest a certain age group or socio-economic background.

Caelan is fine, Kaelan and Kaylan are not.
Cillian fine, Killian not fine.
Caitlin is fine, Katelyn isn't.
Ciaran is fine, Kieran isn't.
Caleb is fine, Kayleb isn't.
Cai is fine (if Welsh), Kai isn't.
Courtney is reasonably OK, Kourtney isn't.

I don't like 'new' names from different cultures being used especially if mispronounced or misspelt. They tend to date badly.

I would honestly suggest you think again. Names like these cause much ridicule.

I would love to know what superior names the children of some of those on this thread are 😂

I know a Caelan, pronounced 'KAY-lan', and he doesn't seem to have too many problems with people mispronouncing it.

I'd pronounce it Kay-lan and judge you for saddling some poor child with it

@Needmorelego If you see a name, you will probably have an impression of what the person will be like. Some names are neutral and you won't have any preconceptions.
If you were told that you had 3 new colleagues and they were called Lindsay, Courtney and Rowan, what would you expect them to be like?
What if they were Ali, Scheherazade or Kim?

My little darlings are Tyla-Rae and Jaxxon.

Exactly this.

My child has a classic name which will suit if she wants to be an artist, an astronaut or a barrister. I felt it was my duty to set her up with a name that wouldn't be judged or mark her as chavvy. Change your name on your CV to Princess Beautiful Diamanté Jayden Kayden Brayden Okayden and see if you still get called for interviews...

Lindsay- a lovely classic girl’s name.
Rowan- ditto. Always blonde.
Courtney- unisex imo.

I prefer Caelan to Kaelan. It’s quite popular now.

Interestingly, I’d consider all those colleague names apart from Scheherazade to be pretty neutral.

Although, I suppose if ‘Ali’ was a man, I’d expect him to be Asian and if they were a woman, I’d assume it was short for ‘Alison’ or similar. So, yes, there’d be some preconceptions in that sense, you’re right.

Tyla-Rae! 🤣

It's much better spelled

Caelan and pr Kay-lin

@Needmorelego , all the names apart from Scheherazade are unisex.
Ali could be Ali, Alison, Alistair etc. Courtney might be a man of Caribbean heritage, Kim could be a Korean (male or female, and it would be a case of a surname being read erroneously as a first name) or a Scandinavian man etc.

How many of those names made you think they'd be women? Which ones were 25ish, 35ish, 45ihs, 55ish, 65ish?

Did you really not judge my DC's names?

It’s Irish and Scottish both. Cáel is an older spelling, caol is the modern spelling. It means slender, narrow.

@Emanwenym the only thing I might maybe think if I hear the names Tyla-Rae and Jaxxon would be to double check if Tyla-Rae is definitely double barrelled or does she prefer just Tyla and whether Jaxxon spells it that way or as Jackson.
Beyond that....I wouldn't think anything much.
That's just their names.
Of the other names listed the only one I would have "issue" with is Scheherazade because I am not sure how to pronounce it. Of course I would just ask them how to say the name?