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Miriam?

87 replies

ZuzannaZinnia · 16/10/2023 13:16

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AhNowTed · 20/10/2023 00:06

Love Miriam.

I know 2, different generations and it suits them both.

It's a lovely name.

And much under-used.

Go for it!

LylaLee · 20/10/2023 08:44

sunshinesupermum · 20/10/2023 00:01

LylaLee You are the one who knows nothing. Miriam is of Hebrew origin and predates Mary. The Old and New Testament both predate the Koran by hundreds of years. HTH.

You said Miriam isn't a Muslim name.

Yes, everyone knows the Koran came after the Bible. Mary (Jesus' mother) is mentioned in the Koran, as I said.

Miriam=Mary=Maryam. The way you spell it depends on the language you speak. HTH.

OakleyStreetisnotinChelsea · 20/10/2023 08:54

Love it. Dc3 would have been Miriam if he hadn't been a boy.

KirstenBlest · 20/10/2023 08:54

@LylaLee , Miriam is a muslim name as much as Maria is.

StoatofDisarray · 20/10/2023 08:55

Lovely!

LylaLee · 20/10/2023 08:57

KirstenBlest · 20/10/2023 08:54

@LylaLee , Miriam is a muslim name as much as Maria is.

Yes, that was my point. PP said it's not a Muslim name. I said there are a range of spellings of the name.

KirstenBlest · 20/10/2023 08:58

@LylaLee , but it isn't a muslim name, Maryam is. Stop derailing the thread.

CaptainBarnaclesandthevegemals · 20/10/2023 09:09

@sunshinesupermum
Both Hebrew and Arabic were traditionally written without vowels. The reader would recognize the words from just the consonants and fill in the vowel sounds themselves. This is part of why there are so many different variations of the name in various languages. It also happens because different languages have different sound systems and different ways of spelling the sounds they use. So you get -Miriam/Mariam/Maryam/Mary/Marie/Maria/Mari/Meri\Mhairi
Same thing happens with other widely used names from the Abrahamic religions - like English ´John’ - Yan Ian Jan Jon Jean Yannis Yanis Evan Euan Giovanni Hovhannes Sean Shane Joan

LylaLee · 20/10/2023 10:52

KirstenBlest · 20/10/2023 08:58

@LylaLee , but it isn't a muslim name, Maryam is. Stop derailing the thread.

There are people in this thread who have literally said they know Muslim Miriams.

Whataretheodds · 20/10/2023 10:57

Crikey.

It's a lovely name. It's not odd if you aren't Christian or Jewish or Muslim.

sandstormboots · 20/10/2023 11:23

Go for it!

KirstenBlest · 20/10/2023 11:26

@LylaLee, I know a muslim Maria, but it's not a muslim name.
I probably know an atheist John but it doesn't make John an atheist name.

CaptainBarnaclesandthevegemals · 20/10/2023 12:30

KristenBlest,
Alright, I’m genuinely interested. How can you tell whether a name is Jewish or Christian or Muslim? Are you going by how they are written in the different holy books? Or some other method? Because my understanding is that in the oldest copies of the different holy scriptures there just aren’t any vowels used. So the name that is Mary in English was written as something like Mrm or Mrjm (but not with Roman letters obviously). And then the Christians went in for translations of the bible - into Latin and then much later English and every other language Christian leaders thought would be useful. So we get Mary and Marie and Maria written in different translations of the Bible. But with the Koran+Muslim holy texts and I believe with the Torah+Jewish holy texts there has been an emphasis on keeping the original text exactly the same over the centuries. So this name is still written something like ´Mrm’ or ´Mrjm’ in Hebrew and Arabic. If that’s the case then to me Miriam and Myriam or Maryam just look like different spellings or different transliterations of the same thing - because only the vowels are different. I think the Arabic speakers I know would pronounce them all the same too (Algerian Arabic speakers mostly). I do appreciate this could vary a lot depending a language though.
It’s more like the difference between ´Susanne’ and ´Suzanne’ as far as I can tell.
Maybe I have missed something important about naming traditions and religions though?

kitsuneghost · 20/10/2023 12:44

What is the mumsnet obsession with only using a name if you have heritage?
If you like it use it

The re are many non-Irish with Irish names
There are many non-Scottish with Scottish names
Many non-religious people give their kids biblical names
Many names you think as western originate from other areas

A name is just a name
It really doesn't matter where it comes from as long as you like it

JollyJellyCat · 20/10/2023 12:52

I have a Miriam. We are practicing Christians and this was a factor in choosing the name. We had Madeleine on our list as a "less Christian" option but Miriam is so pretty we went with it. Love the name and we use Em or Miri as nicknames.

It's quite unusual, we have only met a handful of others from a range of ages. And of course a few Maryams.

ginasevern · 20/10/2023 13:07

Marian is a beautiful name, I've always loved it. It will stand the test of time and I doubt there will be six other kids in her class with the same name - unlike Darcey or whatever the latest trend is. It is an older version of the name Mary and in Arabic and Farsi is it known as Mariam. I really don't think any religious connotations would be attached to someone with the name Marian.

LaLaLouella · 20/10/2023 13:19

The Marvellous Mrs Maisal is a Miriam, nickname Midge!

I love that tv programme and I love the name - classic, pretty and underused

KirstenBlest · 20/10/2023 13:24

@kitsuneghost , that's your view, but many think differently. I don't think it is a good idea because the names might be

  • a bit dated in the original culture
  • too different
  • result in prejudice
  • misspelt or mispronounced regularly

and it would probably get tedious to be asked 'Are you scottish/american/welsh/german/italian/hindu/russian/christian/jewish/whatever?' a lot.

The names sound usually better in their original language.

It's not as if there aren't lots of names to choose from without borrowing.

MotherOfVizslas · 20/10/2023 13:37

I love it

foodsonitsway · 20/10/2023 14:02

I LOVE it! It was going to be DD’s name but we chose a different one. It’s a beautiful name.

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 20/10/2023 14:03

NO! Shock

sunshinesupermum · 20/10/2023 16:03

In the Old Testament Miriam was Moses older sister and a prophetess. A very pretty name OP.

jolaylasofia · 20/10/2023 16:05

i love it, was my grandmothers middle name.

jolaylasofia · 20/10/2023 16:06

Wrongsideofpennines · 16/10/2023 15:10

Love it. Was high on my shortlist but husband vetoed as we already know a little girl called Miriam.

We are Christian and the only othe Miriams we have come across have been Christian or Jewish, as long as you're aware people might link the name to a particular religion or culture.

yes my grandmother was a christian religious mother and was her name

LylaLee · 20/10/2023 16:08

KirstenBlest · 20/10/2023 11:26

@LylaLee, I know a muslim Maria, but it's not a muslim name.
I probably know an atheist John but it doesn't make John an atheist name.

Several people on this thread have explained that spellings of names are not consistent throughout Muslim countries. In Egypt it is generally Maryam. But there are Muslim majority places where the name Miriam, with that spelling, has been in use for hundreds of years.