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Spelling of an Irish name

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HRSC · 21/05/2023 10:54

I am due to have my first baby (girl) in August. My husband is Irish and I am British and we live in Portugal (which is where I grew up and where the majority of my family lives).

We have decided to give the baby an Irish name and now we are discussing the spelling of the name. The name we’ve chosen in Niamh which is easy to say in Portuguese but is going to be minefield for anyone to try and read (or spell!).

Do we stick with the traditional Irish spelling and she has an issue whenever anyone tries to read or spell her name or do we go for a different spelling which can be read much more easily by non English speaking people? (Like Neve or Nieve etc)

We are not likely to ever move to Ireland, most likely we will stay in Portugal so this will be something that she will have to deal with for her whole life.

What are your opinions on this? My husband and I can’t decide.

*I have a name that Portuguese people struggle to read and it is a pain when I’m booking a restaurant or at at doctors appointments etc so I often just give my middle name which is more translatable when booking restaurants etc)

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DownNative · 22/05/2023 12:07

DeflatedAgain · 22/05/2023 12:00

You can't change the spelling of Niamh and still claim it's Irish.

Why are you so upset? Is your name Migwell...👀

Upset?

Nopity-nope!

But it's known that Irish people have and do reinvent Gaelic names.

"Not even the pleasing fashion for Gaelic names marks a return to ‘tradition’; in west Cork children today are more likely to be given ‘re-invented’ or ‘generic’ Irish names like Orla or Ciara or Colm than mainly local ones like Conchubhar or Gobnait."

Cormac Ó Gráda is associate professor of economics at University College Dublin.

Traditional or not, they're still Gaelic names. In English, we have variations of the original name but you wouldn't claim they're not English language names....would you?!

HRSC · 22/05/2023 12:15

I feel like this is getting a bit out of hand!! As someone said, I haven’t posted again because I’m a bit traumatised by this thread! 😬 didn’t realise I was opening a big can of worms here ! Will not be making that mistake again.

Thanks everyone for your opinions. They have been noted, I will not be returning to this thread now and hopefully it will die out (as I can’t seem to find a way to close it!)

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knitpicky · 22/05/2023 19:19

DuchessOfSausage · 21/05/2023 20:44

@knitpicky , many of the names on that list aren't really Irish or Portuguese

Fine - I was just trying to help.

DuchessOfSausage · 22/05/2023 19:45

@knitpicky , they are good names and ones that should work internationally though, unless you want a name that sounds exactly the same.

If my online translator is right, only Nádia sounds the same. Sad

DuchessOfSausage · 22/05/2023 20:17

Even worse knitpicky, I tried it on another language ('Sausagese') and Portuguese, and the common names were fine, but the 6 example Sausagese were as follows:
1 boy's name
1 month name not normally used as a name
4 nouns that aren't names (Part, Bird, Time, Money)

so I clicked on the 380 Sausagese Names link, and the first 12 names starting with A are not Sausagese names, and only one looked like an actual name - Adele (which won't work, although Adela would). B wasn't much better.

Scrolled down to names starting with C, and there is an entry that actually would be offensive.

Basically, do not use mixedname.com to find a name in just one language, unless you think your DD will be happy to be called something like Abundance, Arrow, Breast, Dyke, Hustle, Sacrifice, Serpent, Slave, Spawn, State, or Wheel,

DuchessOfSausage · 22/05/2023 20:30

Oh, goodness me, the boys' names includes ANTICHRIST!

Others include Farce, Gap, Nut (like wing nut, not hazelnut) and Untrue,

knitpicky · 22/05/2023 21:45

My days of naming babies are long since over, so I don't think there's any risk of it.

EmptyBedBlues · 22/05/2023 23:05

LizzieAnt · 22/05/2023 10:57

@DownNative To be honest, I think in many cases people don't realise the Neev pronunciation is an anglicised one. It's not a deliberate choice as such, people just use the pronunciation they're familar with. Niamh is by far the most usual spelling in Ireland - I've never met one spelled differently at least - but then of course it causes no problems here such as the OP might face.

I do think a distinction needs to be made when giving advice on Irish names as to which ones are Irish language and which are not - it can be helpful to make a distinction between 'Irish' and 'Irish language'.
For example, Maeve is an Irish name but the spelling has been anglicised. Niall's spelling is true to Irish language, but the usual pronunciation nowadays (Ny-ul) is an anglicised one - again many Irish people don't really realise they're using a anglicised pronunciation in this case. So the process is fairly common, and I think it's sometimes useful to mention this sort of background when trying to advise someone on their choice.
In the case of Niamh there are two usual pronunciations in Ireland, the Irish language pronunciation Nee-uv and the anglicised Neev. But I think we may have strayed a bit from the question OP was originally asking which was to do with spelling 😅

I think that’s fair. Also that there are anglicisation errors in Ireland, too, like Aoibheann pronounced ‘Ayveen’, or Sorcha pronounced ‘Sore-shuh’, as well as legit. regional variations in pronunciation in names like Caoimhe.

Timeflieswhenyourehavingfun · 02/11/2023 23:05

How does the actress Neve Campbell pronounce her name ?
I always thought she pronounced it Nev, like Bev ?

I am Niamh, pronounced Nee-v.
For simplicity though I tend to tell non Irish speakers that it’s pronounced Neeve.

What I can’t stand is people over emphasising the uv as Nee -OVE.

user1492757084 · 03/11/2023 02:47

Use the original spelling of Niamh and use it as a first or second name ..
Carlotta Niamh
Amelie Naimh

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