How to pronounce Talia

[GemLooper]

Would you say Tah-lee-uh or tar-lee-uh?

Tut tut @GemLooper now look what you have started! 😂

I sometimes wonder if people on mn have ever read anything else on mn.

I mean this r thing comes up EVER SINGLE TIME anyone asks about pronunciation.

Most of the time I feel sure people are doing it just to make a point.

So, we all know, there are 2 A sounds. Let's just call them a long A (as in carpet - whether or not you say the rrr, it is still a long A) and a short A sound as in caravan - again, doesn't matter how you say the r)

Reception age children can understand long A and short A.
It is pretty basic.

So, the actual question was about which pronounciation people use.

There are two, one with long A and one with a short A.
There you go, no need to have a debate about rr at all.

Great to see that English exceptionalism is one industry maintaining a post-Brexit boom.

@TwinsandTrifle

RP is an accent just as much as Glaswegian, West Country or cockney

Where does a Glaswegian accent come from?
Glasgow. Hence the name.

Where does a RP accent come from.
No specific area.

I think it's whether you view accents as regional dialects, which I do. Or "posh sounding" as an accent too. Which I don't.

How would people describe Daniel Radcliffe's accent? There's no specific region it jumps too. Again, you can eliminate a lot of accents that he doesn't have. He's not got the "plum in his mouth" of someone like KM.

So if someone spoke with an American accent, but you couldn’t pinpoint the exact spot in the US they came from, would you say they don’t have an accent?

@TwinsandTrifle
Well, apparently Daniel Radcliffe has described his own accent as a 'boring, middle-of-the road English' one

@cricketmum84

Tut tut *@GemLooper* now look what you have started! 😂

Oh dear. Sorry everyone - I shouldn't have used the letter 'r' in my two pronunciation options. Perhaps should have used the long A sound verse Short A sound distinction.

@steppemum

I sometimes wonder if people on mn have ever read anything else on mn.

I mean this r thing comes up EVER SINGLE TIME anyone asks about pronunciation.

Most of the time I feel sure people are doing it just to make a point.

So, we all know, there are 2 A sounds. Let's just call them a long A (as in carpet - whether or not you say the rrr, it is still a long A) and a short A sound as in caravan - again, doesn't matter how you say the r)

Reception age children can understand long A and short A.
It is pretty basic.

So, the actual question was about which pronounciation people use.

There are two, one with long A and one with a short A.
There you go, no need to have a debate about rr at all.

I say the first syllable of carpet and caravan the same I thought the a in cake or ape was the long a sound?

The letter a makes more than two sounds anyway.

In which case, I'd say it with a long A

Would never ever think to add in an R!

Ta - Lee - a

Ok. I'd say the first syllable of Talia like I'd say Tarquin. Does that help?

@LizzieAnt

The letter a makes more than two sounds anyway.

The "a" in both "cake" and "ate" is part of the /ei/ diphthong. Long "a" (letter) is phonetically /a:/ (car, bar, grass (if you're a southern softy )

@TwinsandTrifle
Daniel Radcliffe has also been voice coached to within an inch of his life. He went to one of the poshest schools in the country and is an ACTOR. Accents is his job! If you listen in early interviews, he's another one who has almost at times "mocknied" himself (see Oliver: Jamie for reference) and then, the HP character is different again.
Do you genuinely not hear the differences in the accents of the people you give as examples?

@StrychnineInTheSandwiches

Great to see that English exceptionalism is one industry maintaining a post-Brexit boom.

🤣🤣 it really is incredible

So if someone spoke with an American accent, but you couldn’t pinpoint the exact spot in the US they came from, would you say they don’t have an accent?

Gaaaaargh

As a globally recognised accent. All accents within America are an American accent. It's identifying the country not the regional dialect. You can identify the country they're from. Not where within that country by "American"

apparently Daniel Radcliffe has described his own accent as a 'boring, middle-of-the road English

This!!! "Middle of the road" as in neither here nor there. Boring English, without any regional dialect accentuation!

I say the first syllable of carpet and caravan the same grin
I thought the a in cake or ape was the long a sound?

Oh that's interesting, I thought in pretty much every accent those two were different. I apologise, stand corrected.

yes a in cake is the long A.

How do you say carpet and caravan? Short or long?

A does make other sounds but the long and short are the most common, and in these Talia/Frances debates, it is really a debate between saying it with long A or short A.

Both of those pronunciations in my accent sounds the same. The majority of people i know with that name pronounce it as tah Lee uh, but I have know a tu Lee ah

Tar Lee ah

"Jack was about to share his private yacht with his football coach when he received a cable informing him that the engine needed repair"

Here's a sentence we use in my line of work to illustrate how many pronunciations of "a" there are in British English phonology.
It's not 2. and /a:/ and /æ/ aren't the most common.

I’ve taught a Talia. first syllable pronounced Tar

@TwinsandTrifle

Pour and poor are the same.

Baffled. Just baffled.

If you're saying it with an accent, you're not saying.it in the raw form if you see what I mean. Take Trevor McDonald. What accent does he have? Or Susanna Reid. I see them as no accent.

Now you're just being silly

Everyone has an accent

Not everyone speaks like you

You really can't be that baffled, surely. Or should that be shawlee or some other weird mangling of English

Where does a RP accent come from. No specific area. I think it's whether you view accents as regional dialects, which I do. Or "posh sounding" as an accent too. Which I don't

That's all well and good for your ego, but you're just redefining words which have accepted meaning in this context.

The "a" in both "cake" and "ate" is part of the /ei/ diphthong.
Long "a" (letter) is phonetically /a:/ (car, bar, grass (if you're a southern softy)

Thanks Geamhradh. There are lots of phonics videos for kids with the a sound in cake and ape described as the long a...is this wrong so? I'm not a linguist I'm afraid.

Thanks also steppemum. I have an Irish accent and I say both carpet and caravan with a short a.

Thanks also steppemum. I have an Irish accent and I say both carpet and caravan with a short a.

sitting here trying to say it in an Irish accent to hear it and I think I've got it!

I love the multiple ways in which we say things. I think the idea that we teach phonics as a way of reading really interesting, we need mutiple phonic programmes to fit mutiple ways of speaking.

But I still say that the debates on here are usually between those 2 forms of the letter A
bath/bath
grass/grass
Frances/Frances

It always boils down to long A or short A. Even within that there are probably a dozen or more versions of the long A depending on accent!

@LizzieAnt

The "a" in both "cake" and "ate" is part of the /ei/ diphthong. Long "a" (letter) is phonetically /a:/ (car, bar, grass (if you're a southern softy)

Thanks Geamhradh. There are lots of phonics videos for kids with the a sound in cake and ape described as the long a...is this wrong so? I'm not a linguist I'm afraid.

Thanks also steppemum. I have an Irish accent and I say both carpet and caravan with a short a.

I think that's the difference between phonology and phonics used in reading schemes, so no, not wrong if it's phonics (which I've always been confused by )