How to pronounce Talia

[GemLooper]

Would you say Tah-lee-uh or tar-lee-uh?

An accent is just a way of pronouncing a language. If you speak, you have an accent.

Well, if this is the case, by default I must have. I wouldn't have a clue what to call mine though. I wouldn't no what to call my friends

Oh god, I’m having flashbacks to the notorious ‘how do you pronounce Frances?’ thread.

MN is so batshit about accents.

I wonder what these "no accent" folk will do when they realise there was a time before today's SE accents existed and all English people had rhotic accents 😱😱😱

On a serious note, did some people not learn about old and Middle English in school? I am really not trying to be condescending or anything, I went to a very shitty secondary school and we certainly learned about the history of the English language and it's pronunciation, so I kind of assumed everyone would.

@TwinsandTrifle

An accent is just a way of pronouncing a language. If you speak, you have an accent.

Well, if this is the case, by default I must have. I wouldn't have a clue what to call mine though. I wouldn't no what to call my friends

I mean, we’ve told you a couple of times on this thread.

If it’s what you’re calling the ‘neutral/proper/just like that lovely Kate Middleton says it’ it’s RP/SSE (depending on your views on old v new RP.)

Even if you don’t live in the SE. The class overlay of RP since late Victorian times at least is fairly well documented definitely hasn’t been examined and documented and discussed over the last century or so by everyone from serious sociolinguists to Nancy Mitford.

@TwinsandTrifle

An accent is just a way of pronouncing a language. If you speak, you have an accent.

Well, if this is the case, by default I must have. I wouldn't have a clue what to call mine though. I wouldn't no what to call my friends

Yes but presumably it is some degree of an English accent as opposed to Scottish English, Indian English, American English etc. The UK is actually quite unusual in having such a broad range of accents, in linguistics there are frequent references to GA - General American - as there is much less diversity there (yes yes, I know there are southern accents, Boston accents etc but for the size of country it has much less linguistic diversity).

Tah-lee-uh or tar-lee-uh

Those sound the same to me!

@bookworm14

Oh god, I’m having flashbacks to the notorious ‘how do you pronounce Frances?’ thread.

MN is so batshit about accents.

I said on another thread yesterday that wasn’t even about pronunciation that I feel like my gravestone would read ‘she died trying to achieve detente between rhotic and non rhotic speakers on the question of the pronunciation of R after a vowel when trying to describe a vowel sound.’

Seriously, it’s like Mary I and Calais.

On a serious note, did some people not learn about old and Middle English in school? I am really not trying to be condescending or anything, I went to a very shitty secondary school and we certainly learned about the history of the English language and it's pronunciation, so I kind of assumed everyone would.

I went to school in Australia and we definitely did.

I said on another thread yesterday that wasn’t even about pronunciation that I feel like my gravestone would read ‘she died trying to achieve detente between rhotic and non rhotic speakers on the question of the pronunciation of R after a vowel when trying to describe a vowel sound.’

I haven't "worked hard" not to have an accent. Just as I'm sure someone hasn't worked hard to have a Mancunian accent.

I just can't understand why the sneering and projecting somehow it's snobbery at the clear difference between:

Nadine Coyle. Londonderry accent.
Noel Gallagher. Mancunian accent.
Cilla Black. Liverpudlian accent.

And KM (which I think is a bad example because it's being too connected with her status as a royal) so how about Daniel Radcliffe. John Cleese. "Received pronunciation with no geographical link"

The last is not speaking with any geographical association. The first 3 are

Christing Christ. Facepalm at some of these comments. Please go on the basic foundation that most of us have left our twee villages and seen the sights of the town next door

Hmmm, I just don't know. I'm not sure it's evident that the elders have ever allowed you beyond the village gates. You clearly are struggling with the idea that you, and everyone else who speaks as
you do, have an accent. And that's just odd.

There is no difference, they're all accented and would be seen as such by outsiders. Geographic link or no geographic link.

I can't 'hear' my accent myself - it's just my voice, I know no different - but I'm perfectly aware that I have one. Like absolutely everyone else.

I mean you actually stated that you believe Trevor McDonald, a man with a clear Trinidadian lilt, doesn't have an accent.

[quote TwinsandTrifle]@LizzieAnt I appreciate you're not English, so you're answering as if we all sound the same because we're "English" this isn't the case. I asked a specific question regarding well known voices, and you came on to say "I haven't heard of most of them, so I'm guessing they sound like this". With respect that completely glossed over the exact point.[/quote]
I didn't say I hadn't heard most of them speak, I said I hadn't heard all of them speak. I haven't heard Kate Middleton speak to be precise. I'm Irish, we watch a lot of British television and I'm familiar with a wide range of British accents. Nobody speaks without one.

Saying English people have English accents isn't glossing over the point, it is the point - because you seem to think some don't.

I know what I mean, it's hard to explain

Don't worry, I know exactly what you mean. It's depressing though.

Came to say in my accent those two pronunciations are the same.

I see a whole debate is already raging.

*backs out of thread slowly

@TwinsandTrifle

I haven't "worked hard" not to have an accent. Just as I'm sure someone hasn't worked hard to have a Mancunian accent.

I just can't understand why the sneering and projecting somehow it's snobbery at the clear difference between:

Nadine Coyle. Londonderry accent.
Noel Gallagher. Mancunian accent.
Cilla Black. Liverpudlian accent.

And KM (which I think is a bad example because it's being too connected with her status as a royal) so how about Daniel Radcliffe. John Cleese. "Received pronunciation with no geographical link"

The last is not speaking with any geographical association. The first 3 are

It's still an accent, regardless of whether you think there's a geographical location

There is no ‘default accent’. RP is an accent just as much as Glaswegian, West Country or cockney. RP as we know it hasn’t even been around that long; the ‘southern’ English accent used to be much more rhotic.

Nadine Coyle. Londonderry accent.

Nadine might beg to differ

Tahl-ya

Saying English people have English accents isn't glossing over the point, it is the point - because you seem to think some don't.

Yep. And again, the English aren't unique in having a wide variety of accents bracketed under 'English accent'. Derry, Kerry, South and North Dublin - all have huge variety, all still Irish accents.

Holy God, I didn't expect this to be such a hard concept for some.

@MrsRobbieHart

Nadine Coyle. Londonderry accent.

Nadine might beg to differ

Only word in English with the first 6 letters silent

@MrsRobbieHart

Nadine Coyle. Londonderry accent.

Nadine might beg to differ

Ah whatever, I just googled people I think of having distinctive voices and that's what she's listed as. You're being pedantic now. The point is, it's a heavy regional dialect. As opposed to pronunciation with no geographical link.

Ah whatever, I just googled people I think of having distinctive voices and that's what she's listed as. You're being pedantic now.

Nah I was having a joke pet. Take your RP stick out of your ass and have a laugh why don’t you.

RP is an accent just as much as Glaswegian, West Country or cockney

Where does a Glaswegian accent come from?
Glasgow. Hence the name.

Where does a RP accent come from.
No specific area.

I think it's whether you view accents as regional dialects, which I do. Or "posh sounding" as an accent too. Which I don't.

How would people describe Daniel Radcliffe's accent? There's no specific region it jumps too. Again, you can eliminate a lot of accents that he doesn't have. He's not got the "plum in his mouth" of someone like KM.

@TwinsandTrifle

RP is an accent just as much as Glaswegian, West Country or cockney

Where does a Glaswegian accent come from?
Glasgow. Hence the name.

Where does a RP accent come from.
No specific area.

I think it's whether you view accents as regional dialects, which I do. Or "posh sounding" as an accent too. Which I don't.

How would people describe Daniel Radcliffe's accent? There's no specific region it jumps too. Again, you can eliminate a lot of accents that he doesn't have. He's not got the "plum in his mouth" of someone like KM.

There is a region it relates to. The south east of England. It doesn't make it any less related to the SE just because some people from other places come to adopt the accent.