A sister for Seren

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Have found out this weekend that DC2 is another little girl. We already have Seren, DP has Welsh heritage without being truly Welsh and we are in England.
I think my shortlist is quite a random mix of Cerys (don't like Carys so much) or Elin for another easy Welsh name, or Charlotte or Lucy.
DP has his heart set on a really Welsh name that I really don't like and he got to pick DD's name so I've vetoed it but it would actually work as a middle name with either Charlotte or Lucy. We aren't too worried about middle names and won't have to worry about family names being used as there's too many women to keep them all happy 😂 Surname is two syllables and sounds fine with all four of my choices.

Any thoughts to help me narrow it down?

I wouldn’t go for Elinor but that’s only because she was my DD’s bully all through secondary school. Take her out of the equation and I guess Elinor is a “nice” name.

We also have an Eleri and a Catrin in the family.

I have always been partial to Elinor. I like Eleri. It's easy to say IMO but I think a lot of people will rhyme it with celery initially. You may need to emphasise that it rhymes with Kerry. Teleri is nice and makes the name stand out from many Ellies, Ellas and Elodies.

This thread has reminded me that Eiry/Eiri is growing on me, I'm also in England of Welsh extraction and Eiry avoids the -ruh sound Eira will get (and which my own accent leans toward). It can be tricky finding a name you love and which you think will work in England can't it!

What I will say, having grown up in England with a Welsh name my native Welsh speaking mother was convinced was 'English proof' is to imagine possible mispronunciations and whether they will irritate you. My mother gets very annoyed when people get my name wrong - most people initially say it wrong. I can't be bothered getting grumpy about it but it really gets my Mam's goat. So make sure you can live with a mispronouncuation as you may hear it a lot.

How about Mariel?
Cerys is nice too

We get Serene occasionally, and another version I can't even think how to type from one auntie (almost like Suranne thingy off the telly) but most people get it right, or the English version of right anyway. I'm not sure I've been saying Eleri correctly myself now so maybe better cross that one off

Eleri is nice. It sounds pretty much like Lerry.

The Eleri I have met is pronounced a bit more like El-air-ee which I think sounds beautiful. I love Lowri too

I'm not sure I've been saying Eleri correctly myself now so maybe better cross that one off

Eleri - El- air-ee.

Eleri is Elerry, to rhyme with Terry and Kerry/Ceri. So Elle-erry.

In some welsh accents it can sound a little like El-airy (Alex Jones on Iaith ar Daith for example) but it is very subtle.

Getti?

@SilverBangle

I have a Seren, Cerys and Angharad. (I wouldn’t recommend Angharad if you are living in England. None of our English relatives will attempt it 🥴).

Within our family we also have
Cadi
Mali
Nia - not my favourite name tbh
Elin
Lowri
Bethan
Haf
Rhiannon

I absolutely love Angharad.

so so so pretty

My neighbour just had a little girl called Mabley. I'd never heard of it before but it's gorgeous. It means loveable 🥰

I absolutely love Angharad.
How is it actually pronounced @SilverBangle. I'd assume anger-ad

@SleepingStandingUp - you can hear Angharad here - www.bbc.co.uk/wales/livinginwales/sites/howdoisay/names/index.shtml?a

Ooh yes Mabli is nice, I believe it's Welsh for Mabel.

SleepingStandingUp

I absolutely love Angharad.
How is it actually pronounced @SilverBangle. I'd assume anger-ad

It’s pronounced exactly as it’s spelt
Ang-Har-ad, with the H being pronounced.

Rowena

I love Nia, if DS had been a girl he’d be Nia and our DD is Merryn so very similar to your Seren.
Other girl names I shortlisted were:
Arwen
Rhoswyn (Roz for short)
Nina (not Welsh just really liked it!)
Meredith ( I like Welsh pronunciation rather than English on this one)

Also have Welsh family called:
Bethan
Rhian
Myfanwy

Just to add that the suffix -wyn is male in the Welsh language- so Rhoswyn would be a male name. Rhoswen would be the female equivalent (though it's a new one on me. Very pretty though!)

The -wen, -wyn thing can be quite frustrating for Welsh speakers, because Bronwyn, for example, would be a male name, but it's a mistake that's been made so many times, it's kind of a girl's name now! Still really jars to Welsh ears though.

@SilentPanic

Just to add that the suffix -wyn is male in the Welsh language- so Rhoswyn would be a male name. Rhoswen would be the female equivalent (though it's a new one on me. Very pretty though!)

The -wen, -wyn thing can be quite frustrating for Welsh speakers, because Bronwyn, for example, would be a male name, but it's a mistake that's been made so many times, it's kind of a girl's name now! Still really jars to Welsh ears though.

@SilentPanic So would Bronwen not be a traditional Welsh name then? Or is that ok because of the -wen ending? I’m only asking because I’ve always loved it but would hate to make a faux pas.

Sorry to derail the thread.

Elys is a very pretty name.

Bronwen is a traditional welsh name, @Yutes. It's Bronwyn that isn't. The -wyn ending would suggest it was a boy's name.

Rhoswyn looks like a boy's name for the same reason. Rhoswyn isn't a name and doesn't have a Roz sound in it. Looks and sounds made up, even as Rhoswen.

Meredydd (anglicised to Meredith) is a boy's name. The two names don't sound the same. Meredydd is Mer-ED-ith (th like in this or there)

Arwen isn't a Welsh name - it's from Lord of the Rings.

The - wyn/-wen male/female is really straightforward.

Elys isn't a name and sounds too close to Elusen

Angharad - there's no G in it, the Ng is a letter not two letters and you don't sound the g. It isn't Ang-GAR-ad or god forbid, Ann Garrud.

The name is ok but know too many of them for it to be special

Seren and Elin are fine together. I like Cerys too but it’s a bit dated right now. Love Manon.

Eirys

How is that pronounced?

@TatianaBis - Eirys is a cymrified version of Iris. I would pronounce it EY-riss (ey as in hey). The letters Ei in Welsh make an ey sound so I would pronounce Eirys with the same ey sound I use for Eira, Eiry and Eirlys.

In some parts of South Wales they say Ei as an eye sound and would say EYE-riss (so Iris basically).