Naughty boys names?

[Crunchie14]

Firstly I have got to stop discussing baby names with both sets of grandparents - I know I take their opinions way too seriously.
Dp's Father is a headteacher, we were discussing names on the weekend for our imminent arrival, and Dp mentioned he liked Harrison.
His Dad said we can't use it as it's a naughty boys name.
Our other names on the shortlist are Lucas, Leo and Owen.

What are others opinions on these? I know these names are fairly popular which doesn't worry me too much, I don't actually know any other children with these names ... yet!

I’ve taught two absolutely delightful Lucases.

Definitely met more than my fair share of naughty Leons. It’s such a bloody cool name though!

All the other names are pretty neutral.

The naughtiest boys I ever taught way back...
Dale
Darren
Lee
Jason
Oh and worst of all....Simeon!

Just for LadyPamplemousse because your posts are making me laugh. Yes, this Harrison can definitely get away with being naughty

Is it wrong that I’m kind of heartened to see DS’s name mentioned a couple of times here? He’s actually a poppet at school, but can be rather “spirited” at home.

I once knew of a little boy called Maverick. We lived in the same neighbourhood, and at a busy event and I heard his name being called over the tannoy (twice!) because he’d escaped from his parents and done a runner. A self-fulfilling prophecy?

I like how we now have people denying there is any correlation between background and behaviour because it's the cool woke thing to do.

I've worked in a range of catchments. Each catchment has its typical issues and challenges in terms of behaviour. I would say there are trends of behaviour challenges in a leafy school and trends in a school from a more deprived area.

Obviously staying there's trends and correlations will offend the perpetually offended who are aghast at any such suggestions (probably because they'll chip in with silly rebukes like 'so you're saying everyone who is poor is naughty' having either misunderstood or selectively misunderstood how correlation works)

In my town you are more likely to have a criminal record in one area over another. You are more likely to have a higher life expectancy in another area. You are more likely to get good GCSEs in one area.
Should we pretend these correlations don't exist in case someone wants to get offended?

I have a Harrison and love it 12 years later.

As long as you spell it correctly - no unique spelling like Harrisn, Harrrisin, Harrysun... then you'll be fine.

Ooooof, that'll do nicely, mrsfrumble!

Maisy, Why not simply say you are prejudiced against working class children?

I like Owen best. I knew a lovely lad named that once, ironically enough he'd been labelled as a naughty kid but really it was an undeserved reputation. He was scapegoated a lot by the other kids.

I'm not a fan of 'son' names unless they're accurate. So personally, I'd only use Harrison if the dad's name/nickname was Harry or Henry. But I appreciate that doesn't bother must people.

Naughty boys I have known.
Oscar,
Jayden,
Caleb,
Joseph,
Samuel,
Charlie,
Kieran,
kaiden,
tommy,
Lucas,
Sebastian,
Arthur
alex,
Nathaniel,
lance

Maisy, Why not simply say you are prejudiced against working class children?
Umm... because I'm not.

I'm from a working class background. The sad reality is the outcomes of some kids I went to school with are different from some kids I've taught. That's life.

The fact is that social background does correlate to other factors.

It might be cool to be woke on mumsnet and claim (as some do on here) that there's no difference and the world is all equal and full of fairy dust and all children have the same life opportunities, but the sad reality is they don't.
There's countless studies on links between social deprivation and crime, social deprivation and health, social deprivation and educational outcomes, social deprivation and life expectancy. Why does pupil premium money exist? Why do some schools spend money on teams of mentors? Why do schools employ parental support workers? After all, there's no need.

There's some issues more prevalent in middle class schools. Some issues are more prevalent in areas of deprivation. That is life.

In DS's class, Alexander, Leo, Benjamin, Jonas.

In DD's class, Freddie, Lawrie, Charlie, Thibault.

What a nasty thread.

Mrsfrumble I was on a babycentre board about 14 years ago and i remember someone saying they'd picked the name Maverick for their baby.

If I'd had a boy, both the name i wanted (Jack) and the name my dh wanted (Daniel) are on the list someone posted of kids they work with in a behavioural unit. So they'd have had no chance.
I wonder whether my dds' names would be on a naughty girl name list!

Maisy I don't know if you're basing your opinions on having worked in education but I can tell you there's a lot of little middle class shits! Some mc parents bring their dcs up to be entitled and self centred (sorry but true). If I see a particularly pretentious name on a class list, I get a bit nervous. I don't want to give examples in case I identify myself!

Maisy, being from the bottom of the working class myself, with barely-literate parents and who got extra school funding on the frankly-named Deprived Children’s Scheme at my very rough school, I am all too aware of the relationship between poverty and poor educational outcomes. What I am not ok with is people hiding blatant class prejudice under coy discussion of ‘naughty boy names’.

MaisyI don't know if you're basing your opinions on having worked in education but I can tell you there's a lot of little middle class shits!
Experience here too.
And as I've said many times on this thread there are some behaviour issues more prevalent in leafy middle class schools and some behaviour trends more common in schools in more deprived areas.

It was the fact I was accused of being prejudiced against working class kids for saying some correlations exist that prompted the big reply about life chances.

I'd equally say there's a correlation between leafy suburbs and likelihood for child to feel entitled to do zero work and then have home demand endless hours of intervention. You and I could probably both make a list of the sorts of names who are probably more likely to be known for being lazy/arrogant.
It doesn't mean everyone with that name is lazy or arrogant but it's a correlation observed in leafy schools.

What I am not ok with is people hiding blatant class prejudice under coy discussion of ‘naughty boy names’
Saying all Xs are naughty is class prejudice.
Saying Xs show up more for behaviour issues in their experience isn't class prejudice.

Identifying a trend exists is not class prejudice. Deciding that all children must be naughty because of their name is.

Which is why I find the idea that I'm prejudiced against working class children ridiculous.

I would say tyler, John and definitely Harrison for naughty boys names

Cheeky names Frankie, Alfie, spencer,

Good boy names - Phillip, Timothy,

I don't have anything spring to mind for your other names

Some mc parents bring their dcs up to be entitled and self centred (sorry but true). If I see a particularly pretentious name on a class list, I get a bit nervous.

Names that not only make you nervous but also indicate an entitled self centred child ?

This isn’t a pleasant thread; I have a Tyler and he’s lovely. His teachers agree.

@MaisyPops, your posts are too long, with very little sense in the content.

Maybe it’s the popularity of the name? So if a name is popular in a region, statistics suggest there’ll be more ‘naughty’ kids with that name.

And everyone’s perception of ‘naughty’ is entirely different from the next...

Are you serious 🤦🏻‍♀️

Name your child what you like if he turns out to make the "naughty" list that's down to your parenting not because you gave him a "naughty name".

Maisy, while there are extensive studies detailing the relationship between poverty and low educational achievement, I’m not aware of any studies of relationships between laziness and arrogance and ‘leafy schools’. I think you may be confused as to what ‘correlation’ means, and where the distinction between ‘anecdote’ and ‘data’ lies..