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Jezebel?

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fairyteepee · 23/10/2014 18:49

I love this name its so pretty, should i use it in spite of some of its negative associations? Its seems such a shame to bin a beautiful name! Thanks guys!

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duhgldiuhfdsli · 24/10/2014 20:13

How about Jocasta?

Because marrying your own son is always a good idea, presumably.

fairyteepee · 24/10/2014 20:21

I can honestly say i would of liked to of been called Jezebel, i don't see it as anything but a pretty name that some older generations may have once called a "loose woman" -which lets be honest people of younger generations would now just see as someone living their life as they want to, and not letting other peoples judgements affect that. And i say that as someone who's only ever slept with her other half so im not coming from a defensive place there!

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MrsCakesPrecognition · 24/10/2014 20:23

It's not just the bible though is it? You are being disingenuous.

Even Dizzee Rascal has a jolly little ditty called Jezebel in which sums up pretty much all the negative connotations of the name:
www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/dizzeerascal/jezebel.html

squoosh · 24/10/2014 20:30

some older generations may have once called a "loose woman" -which lets be honest people of younger generations would now just see as someone living their life as they want to, and not letting other peoples judgements affect that.

Even if this is true it will still be the case that everyone knows 'jezebel' to be a sexual reference. Why would you do that to a baby?

fairyteepee · 24/10/2014 20:31

Yes but dizzie rascals lyrics are based on the bibles Jezebel, which again is fictional.

Plus its dizzie rascal, who cares! Grin

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squoosh · 24/10/2014 20:32

There are tons of other 'bel' names, pick one of those.

fairyteepee · 24/10/2014 20:33

If someone wanted to call their child candy or roxy i might think of a prostitute but those names are acceptable.

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squoosh · 24/10/2014 20:33

The bible's Jezebel is THE Jezebel. Whether it's fictional or not matters not a jot.

MrsCakesPrecognition · 24/10/2014 20:34

Oh. It's a joke thread. Sorry. Took you seriously for a minute.

fairyteepee · 24/10/2014 20:38

I think it definitely matters whether its fictional or not.

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fairyteepee · 24/10/2014 20:39

Nope its not a joke thread, does it have to be a joke when someone has an opinion that differs from the heard?

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mathanxiety · 24/10/2014 20:39

It's not 'older generations' and their peculiar preoccupations we are talking about here. Seriously, if you speak English you know what a jezebel is.

And thinking it is not suitable as a name choice has nothing to do with anyone not being emancipated, or being just as intolerant as older generations. Plenty of people would never dream of going into prostitution or giving their child their blessing if they announced this was the career they had chosen. You are delusional if you think people who are younger have all that different an attitude from their parents' or grandparents'.

If you wouldn't call your child 'Whore' or 'Prostitute' then don't call her Jezebel. (Just imagine for a minute that the sound of the names have some sort of appeal). Or if you can imagine what 99% of people would think if you called your child Whore or Prostitute (even if you are too enlightened to be judgemental) then find something else.

squoosh · 24/10/2014 20:42

It's a bit dim of you to think it makes any difference as to whether Jezebel existed or not. Please hand over naming rights of your baby to someone with a few brain cells.

mathanxiety · 24/10/2014 20:49

There are a lot of names in the English language that are based on fiction -- Greek and Roman myths and Shakespeare for instance are sources of many names. That doesn't mean that what they are commonly accepted to stand for is fictional. Sometimes language develops a life of its own. In this case, Jezebel has a definite meaning that has developed from its original use. Some people wouldn't use the name Lolita for similar reasons.

fairyteepee · 24/10/2014 20:50

What has someone going into prostitution got to do with it? Or whether you'd give them your blessing? Im not saying go forth and be a prostitute! I am just totally ignoring the association the bible has brought to society.

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fairyteepee · 24/10/2014 20:52

So squoosh you have judged me as dim and have chosen to act upon that by posting as insulting a post as your impressively large brain can manage? Thats big of you

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squoosh · 24/10/2014 20:53

The bible's association is theonly association. That's the point.

CrumpleHornedSnorkack · 24/10/2014 20:53

Then you are a fool. The name has much wider societal connotations and you have a very idealised view of the world we live in if you genuinely cannot see how this might be a problem.

fairyteepee · 24/10/2014 20:56

Nope im fully aware society can be entirely shitty as squoosh has demonstrated. But that will manifest itself in many ways throughout all our children's lives. Don't think it should change my view on a name. Just because society doesn't like it really doesn't mean we should all conform.

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squoosh · 24/10/2014 20:57

I certainly do judge as dim (and cruel) anyone who calls their daughter Jezebel yet refuses to acknowledge that 99% of the population see the name as being on a par with calling your daughter 'whore' or 'prostitute'.

KlokkenVin · 24/10/2014 20:57

Lol at "older generations" op. We are so fusty, unlike young people.

You will be young for about ten more minutes and the bible and its strong associations wont have gone away.
Youth aint nothing special up against THE BIBLE.

Roseformeplease · 24/10/2014 20:58

But your daughter will be part of that society and people will snigger and judge. You are putting your OWN need to make a point before your daughter's need to have a life free from sniggering and pointing.

Why not call her Tart, Slag, Ho? Same thing. They are not "names" but insults. Jezebel just happens to be both. Would you call her Fat, short for Fatima? Or Tit, short for Titiana? All are likely to get her laughed at with no Biblical connotations.

I also think, while repeatedly calling the Bible fiction, you are attempting to goad but getting nowhere.

squoosh · 24/10/2014 20:59

If you love the name so much and are so determined to stick your fingers up to society then change your own name to Jezebel by deed poll.

Sorted.

KlokkenVin · 24/10/2014 20:59

Fairy, so u would use your child to push back a boundary?

Change your name to jezabel!

KlokkenVin · 24/10/2014 21:00

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