Autumn Philips calls baby Savannah

[LexieB]

Savannah

Am gobsmacked at your knowledge Northern.

I believe the legitimacy question wasn't so much whether Alice was born in wedlock or outside, but wrt the legitimacy of her parents' marriage as the term is applied under the Royal Marriages Act of 1772. The terms of the RMA state that marriages within the royal family are void and the children of such marriages illegitimate unless the consent of the sovereign to the marriage was obtained, and Alice's parents (Louis of Battenburg and Princess Victoria, grandchild of Queen Victoria) had not done this, believing themselves to be outside the scope of the RMA.

Want to correct my bit about the last years of Alice's life -- she was released from the sanatorium, spent the war in Greece, sheltered Jews, and founded a convent of Orthodox nursing nuns afterwards. She was honoured as Righteous Among the Nations for her heroism in hiding Jewish refugees.

Mathanxiety - how interesting. I've been looking at Wikipedia though and the act says that the descendants of princesses who have married in to 'foreign' families are exempt. There's a lovely table showing who has asked for consent and none of Princess Alice's children did - nor did the children of the Princess Royal. One of Princess Helena's daughters did - no idea why unless it was because she was living in Britain - always had and so although her father was German they counted him as 'non-foreign'?

The marriage that definately was counted as void was the one Victoria of Hesse's father contracted on the same day as her - to his divorced mistress. (How times have changed! ) Queen Victoria was in town to attend her grandaughter's wedding and hit the roof.

Newyear - I just find it all really interesting - some amazing personalities and the letters that passed between Queen Victoria and her oldest daughter for the rest of their lives are a great read.

To call a whole family of people you have never met 'Fuckwits' is a little unfair Expat, especially as you have demonstrated on this thread that you know virtually nothing about them, personally or constitutionally.

I couldn't give a stuff about whether we have a royal family or don't have one, but I try not to make personal slurs about a whole group of people I have very little knowledge of.

They live their lives the only way they know - just like the rest of us. The circumstances of their births are hardly their fault, any more than mine or yours is.

I read on wiki that QV had a mutated gene for haemophilia, which could have happened to anybody. Her mother and her aunts and their children didn't have haemophilia.

Northern, wow! are you an historian?

darleneconnor, I thought it was due to the royal family running out of European royal families to marry into, as it was much easy to marry a royal to a royal as they knew what was expected of them and how to conduct themselves.

There are lots of ethnic groups in this country now that marry first cousins and it is not thought of as incests, there has not been proof yet that it harms children either any more than having a offspring much later than 35 or not looking afters the female body before and during pg.

Queen Victoria was known as the grandmother of europe as she had 9 children and they went on to have over 40 grandchildren and then great grandchildren, so the royal family produced a lot of off spring to then marry again.

I think the danger is when it is the norm to marry first cousins, and then after a few generations of that the lines are blurred and people who marry each other are actually more closely related than just normal first cousins.

I'm trying to think here, my first cousins and I share 50% of our grandparents and so 50% of our great grandparents, but if there'd been a long line of cousins marrying you could have a situation where first cousins share not four but maybe five great grandparents.

This will have happened in other places Valium, America would have had areas where limited stock was available and people would have married cousins and furthers down the line cousins again and shared great grandparents, Same in Australia and especially with the UK goverment, they sent out woman but they where in limited supply, there dosen't seem to be any lasting effect and as is happening now other family genes are brought in to the families

I think Cassius must be 30th or so now.

This is truly fascinating!
Thank you so much for educating me. I knew a bit about the UK/Russia links from school and a trip to Moscow & St Petersberg in 1991, but I didn't realise quite how interlinked most of European royalty is!

According to the link darleneconnor posted, he's 34th.

Well it's only by the grace of God that Kate Middleton will be Queen Catherine. Given that he's marrying a commoner we could have had a Queen Hayley or Queen Nichola or Queen Kelly. How hilarious would that have been?

'To call a whole family of people you have never met 'Fuckwits' is a little unfair Expat, especially as you have demonstrated on this thread that you know virtually nothing about them, personally or constitutionally.

I couldn't give a stuff about whether we have a royal family or don't have one, but I try not to make personal slurs about a whole group of people I have very little knowledge of.'

Well, here's your halo and tiara then, Fellatio, so step off.

You feel perfectly qualified to make all kinds of assumptions on here about people you don't know, so wind your neck in.

I think Zac Goldsmith's a twunt, too, and I don't know him, either. He's a known adulterer and liar, so sue me.

[rolls eyes]

And I also wrote 'a whole bunch of fuckwits'. Not 'they are all fuckwits'.

But again, keep going since there's no iggy button here, unfortunately.

I mean, people up in arms because they named the kid 'Savannah'.

I assume he agreed to it as well, she isn't just Autumn's to name.

I love that name!!

We don't yet know it's Savannah - still only the one report in EDP based on what a parishioner reported the vicar to have said.

You would, Stewie, you sly Canuck :o.

Quite a few Autumns when I was growing up. Summers as well.

Strangely, no Winters. Or Springs.