Autumn Philips calls baby Savannah

[LexieB]

Savannah

Prince Michael of Kent is not in line as his missus is roman catholic. however, looking at his facial hair, i think he would like to be the next Tsar of Russia .

FWIW i like the name savannah, it's not like she is going to be a princess

Margaret was the Queen's sister. When she was born she was third in line - after Elizabeth and her father (Duke of York - then George VI) so then she moved up to 2nd in line but then ended up way, way down the list by the time she died.

Gosh. Guess that's the sort of thing that does happen if an aristocrat makes the mistake of marrying a colonial.

(But far better than Eugenie, poor lass.)

Romilly - Prince Michael's great grandmother's sister was Tsarina of Russia and mother of the last Tsar. His (the last Tsar's) wife was Queen Victoria's grandaughter so there are a lot of family similarities!

If you go down the list to Gloucesters and Kents (20s and 30s in line), you'll find Xan, Senna, Lyla, Eloise and Estella.

Also Victoria was a rare name in UK when she was born.

Bet you'll also find a bunch of fuckwits for people, too.

Victoria wasn't her given name though was it and she wasn't born to English parent I thought one was German?

To each their own but i'm not keen.

It seems somewhat chavvy and in the same vein as Chardonnay.

What was her given name?

Victoria's mother was a german princess. Her given name was Alexandrina Victoria. She was supposed to be Georgiana - after the Prince Regent but the Prince hated his younger brother - Victoria's dad - and hated the fact that she was eventually his heir (his own daughter died in childbirth) and he basically had a huge strop at the font and refused to call her anything till they begged him - she had Alexandrina after the Tsar of Russia and Victoria after her mother - who was actually Victoire I think.

That all sounds very scarily inbred as wasn't Victoria's husband some German prince, too?

Oooh yes. Victoria's Uncle Leopold was married to the Prince Regent's daughter Charlotte. She died in childbed (total obstetric disaster) and thus Leopold's ambitions were somewhat buggered - so he managed to get his widowed sister married to one of his uncle's in law and then proceeded to be a bit of a power behind the throne type thing. Prince Albert was his nephew - Queen Vitoria's cousin!

(Widowed sister producing Queen Victoria)

ha ha

The Queen must be morto

And whilst we're on about inbreeding let's mention the haemophilia thing. Not known in the family previously Queen Victoria and Albert's youngest son suffered from it. Her daughters Alice and Beatrice certainly carried it. Alice's daughter Alix transmitted it into the Russian royal house - she was the last Tsarina, Beatrice's daughter Ena took it in to the Spanish royal house. The failure of both royal houses can in part be laid at the door of the terrible destructive disease and it ruined Ena's marriage as well. All very sad.

do any of the royals still carry it today?? or how did they wipe it out?

All very disgustingly incestuous. There's a reason first cousin marriage is banned in some places.

The Queen's family are descended from QV's eldest son - and haemophilia cannot be carried by men - they just have the illness. So although Prince Philip is also descended from QV he can't carry it - his mother could have but if she did she didn't pass it to him. (Prince Philip is QV's great-great grandson through Princess Alice) He had sisters and I don't they have passed it on to their children either?
The Russian strain died out when the Tsar and family were murdered. The spanish strain - not sure but I think the current Spanish royal family are descended from an unaffected son and so are ok. Prince Leopold (QV's son) who had it passed it to his daughter who passed it to her son - who died young.

So is the Queen descended from QV, too? Like Phillip?

That's so gross.

YUP!

Queen Victoria's son Edward VII was succeeded by hi son George V who is the current Queen's grandfather.
Meanwhile Princess Alice - QV's second daughter produced several children before dying tragically young from diptheria which she caught from said children. Her oldest daughter had a daughter - Alice - who was married to a Greek Prince - and her youngest child was Prince Philip - though they were thrown out of Greece when he was only a few months old.

What's even more inbred is that Edward VII was married to a Danish princess Alexandra - her sister became the Russian Tsarina but her brother became the King of Greece (Greece was looking for a king and elected him ) So basically Russia/Greece and the UK are all interwoven - the Duke of Kent's mother was a Greek princess, QV's second son was married to a Russian princess. QV's eldest daughter was married to the Prussian Emperor's heir and their second son married one of Alice's daughters......

I did say I like this stuff didn't I!

All that in-breeding is why they are 'allowing' all this new blood in now, with the likes of Kate and Autumn.

here's the full line of succession

It would have been a one in a million chance that Leopold passed hemophilia on to his daughter (who would have been a carrier) -- this would only happen if the DD's mother was a carrier.

Wasn't there doubt cast upon the legitimacy of Philip's mother (Alice of Battenburg) a few decades ago, maybe during the Churchill years or thereabouts? She spent the last years of her life in mental hospitals iirc, poor woman.

Sorry yes I meant she was a carrier not had the disease herself.

I've never read anything about doubts over Alice's legitimacy? Just looked it up and she was born 10 months after her parent's marriage so it would have been going some!