Erin Patterson - We the members of the MN jury find the defendant Guilty or Not Guilty?

[Dustyblue]

Well here we are, after 2 years of head-scratching speculation and many weeks of trial detail-thrashing. It looks like the Judge will give his directions to the jury on Tuesday, after which they'll be sequestered in a local motel (I do not envy them this) to reach a verdict.

Clearly we're not privy to every last piece of evidence shown at the trial, but those of us who've been following closely will surely have formed an opinion one war or the other.

So, I ask you- if you were on the jury- what would your verdict be?

@Anzena Depends on the state. Multiple sentences are almost always concurrent. What do you mean by tariff? Is that a non-parole period that they must serve before they can apply for release? A life sentence in my state generally means 25 years max. Other states it’s actually life, especially if there’s no remorse or no participation in behaviour rehab, or they’re decided to be too dangerous to the community.

@FeralWoman Thanks so much for that information. Yes when I say tariff I mean the length of time decided by the judge or the legal rules. For instance there is something called a "whole of life" tariff which means the perpetrator will never be released, whereas a "life sentence" may be for say max 25 years. However that tariff can include a parole hearing after X number of years and a release may be sanctioned early. So the person is still under a life sentence but subject to licence and obviously no recurrence of crime etc.

Concurrent sentencing is not fair in my humble opinion. But that's all it is, my opinion. Consecutive sentencing for multiple murder is in my view fairer, since at least then each loved one of the deceased feels they are getting justice individually. All just my opinion and I know the law can work in mysterious ways!

The prosecution is asking for life without parole.

The defence is expecting a lengthy sentence, but is asking for parole.

Whatever the sentence, she will no doubt appeal.

I think a life sentence here in Victoria is 30 years. So even if she gets parole, she'd be 80-odd when released.

I agree they'll almost certainly appeal. Although I'm curious as to how she'll pay her pricey defence team for it since her house has been seized, and she can't sell it. She was a wealthy woman but she's already paid a reported 1 million+ for her trial defence.

Apart from the fact she's murdered all those people in cold blood, her children's relatives, I find the fact she is ploughing through all the money and assets that might provide for their future pretty telling.

She looked like shit in those latest photos heading into the pre-sentence hearing. I don't think she will do too well whatever sentence she eventually gets.

Her lawyers will advise her there's essentially no chance of a successful appeal.

So if she does anyway, it'll just be to drag out "the adventure".

They will, no doubt, at least appeal whatever sentence she gets. Hope it backfires.

This should be interesting. John Silvester is no slouch.

Three-part documentary series Revealed: Death Cap Murders will premiere in September on Stan, revealing new information from The Age journalists John Silvester and Marta Pascual Juanola on Erin Patterson’s now infamous murder case.

Airdate: Revealed: Death Cap Murders | TV Tonight

That does look interesting! I've read a few of John Silvester's books, as you say @velvetandsatin he's no slouch. A really good writer.

At the same time, how much more is there to say?

The only streaming service I pay for is Netflix, so I'll miss this anyway- unless someone uploads it to youtube ;)

I agree. Her children would have had a great inheritance to set them up in life as adults, but not anymore.

She certainly did look like shit in the pics, going into her pre-sentence hearing. They must've taken her hair-straightener away. And her makeup bag.

She's looking at 30 years!! If she's smart she'll start behaving herself to get her privileges back. What else does she have left?

It was mentioned above that her house was seized, was that in order to pay legal fees or other debt? I'm not sure, but I thought she had several properties and other assets that she inherited from her mother also? I think I read somewhere that she had made substantial loans to relatives, maybe in-laws or something?

I need to read back a bit more obviously.

@Anzena I’d need to check but I think it was to stop the house being turned into a money making tourist attraction because that would be profiting from crime. I think the other properties are okay because the lunch was at the house.

Mushroom murderer Erin Patterson barred from selling Leongatha home - ABC News

Thanks for the link @Dustyblue. So the house is being held/preserved to pay compensation to the victims, if a claim for compensation is lodged. Her lawyers are already named as having a claim to the house for legal fees. If necessary the government will seize the house and sell it to cover the various costs.

Am thinking the lawyers will get in 1st!

But it sounds like the family can claim too. Possibly Simon and his extended family could claim, as he/they are raising the 2 kids.

What a waste of a 2 million dollar inheritance.

Did we ever find out what those creepy drawings on the wall were about?

I don't think so. But I do wonder what the tradesman who took the pics was paid when he handed them over to the media 😯

I can’t imagine who would want to buy it.

If the price is right it will sell in a minute.

I was reminded of the house where Sef Gonzales murdered his family, because he was in the news as up for parole this week. Real estate laws were changed in NSW after the house was sold to an unsuspecting couple who had no idea of what had happened there and were extremely distressed once they found out about it. Now, agents have to disclose if a property was the scene of a crime.

Blimey! I've just read that the Age have reported the Erin Patterson's sentence will be broadcast live on Monday morning, the 8th September.

It will be on channel 7, for one, at 9.30am and they've said it will be live and ad-free! It's supposed to go for about thirty minutes, or up to an hour.

According to the Age:

She will be able to appeal against her conviction and sentence until midnight on October 6.

Mushroom killer Erin Patterson’s sentence to be broadcast live in Supreme Court of Victoria first

Hello from far away, I hope someone puts the sentencing on YouTube since that's the only way I'll see it. Unless it's shown as a video on a non subscription newspaper or something. If anyone knows a way around it, please let me know. I don't have a VPN. I've been following the case from the start. Thank you.

I'm sure it will be viewable elsewhere. 7 have said it will be on all their socials.

Historic live broadcast of Erin Patterson sentencing | 7NEWS

That is bizarre! I can't remember any other high profile cases where this has happened.

There is loads of content on youtube of CH7's coverage of the case so no doubt this will also appear.

Edited to add- my bet is on no parole.