The mushroom poisoning in Vic...... we are gripped!.....Part 3

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New thread! Cheers @echt for noticing!

Say Grace is a good one too. Often has details that others miss.

This recipe for individual beef wellingtons says to serve 4 you need 200g of mushrooms and 300g of puff pastry. She bought 1.8kg of mushrooms so (excluding any dried and foraged mushrooms she already had at home) enough to make over 30 beef wellingtons! Plus 1kg plus another pack of puff pastry so likely enough to make 16 wellingtons. There must have been some practice sessions to get the taste good before she made the death batch.
https://www.olivemagazine.com/recipes/meat-and-poultry/beef-wellingtons/

Perhaps no one is willing to stand up in court and testify to help her? Which in itself is quite telling from the jury’s perspective.

Who could there be though to call for her? She seems to have been very isolated.

I made the joke crimes against food- at her expense, not yours :) similar jokes have been made on other discussion forums about her menu choices.

Yeah, the crimes against food thing was funny, no one was getting at anyone else imo 😘
I'm not a massive fan of mushroom case daily.

It's also a bit chilling and odd - given her health anxiety and her own health issues - that just a few months before the killings she applied for, and was accepted onto a Nursing and Midwifery degree.

She could have made individual mushroom vol au vents using bought puff pastry , or a mushroom soup starter (as murder weapons). Can't understand the BW thing at all.

BW sounds like a heck of a lot of work to me, and I'd either over or under cook it, and would be nervous of cooking such a cut of beef anyway, it needs precision to cook fillet I think.

Another thing, if her lies are obvious is she guilty of perjury at least!

The mushroom cook is ok too if you don't have much time. It is the journo that asked the famous questions outside her house with the dry tears.

Thanks all I’ve had a bit more time as been on holiday this week so got caught up in this case!

Whilst Mushroom Daily is fine I do find the miss so much stuff out that's in the live blogs and they go over too much of the same stuff repeatedly.

Oh, there were lots of jokes, I know everyone was just having a laugh, and I've seen them elsewhere, especially reddit, there's a whole stream of them that come out on the threads, all the "he must be a fun-guy" every time there's a new witness and so on - my point is no-one was taking what I was trying to say seriously or was at all interested in engaging on the topic of how and why she cooked the BWs in such a way, and particularly the number of them.

Becasue as she tells it one of her major lies falls apart if you look at her known shopping purchases from Woolworths for the meal it makes no sense that she had a) 5 fillets for 6 lunchers and b) made 6 BW and threw away Simon's and her uneaten half (as found in her red bin) and c) "scraped off the mushroom" and fed her children the leftover beef from some BW.

The numbers don't add up. And as I said the BW was the murder weapon.

The assumption was supposed to be she'd "scraped the mushrooms off" Simon's BW and fed to it to her children the next night - thereby proving she couldn't have murdered anyone, or be a poisoner, or she wouldn't do that.

But the meat was still in the BWs found in her red bin:

“Dr Gerostamoulos said the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine tested meat, pastry and mushroom paste samples from beef Wellington located in Ms Patterson’s bin after the lunch.

In three of four mushroom paste samples no alpha-amanitin or beta-amanitin toxins were found, but in one sample they detected beta-amanitin.

Beta-amanitin toxins were also detected in one meat sample, he said.”

This has a Lindy Chamberlain vibe to it. She’s an oddball, she hasn’t reacted how we think she should react, and the media and public have jumped on her.

She‘ll be found innocent and in 2027 she’ll be a Dancing With the Stars contestant. 💃 🍄

Have the Australian media picked up on a lie she’s told on the stand like the uk media have?

she said something about she was lying about cancer because she was planning on bariatric surgery at a specific clinic and wanted a reason for potential childcare being needed. But the press here are reporting that the clinic she name is a dermatology clinic only and doesn’t do bariatric surgery. Not sure if they’re right as it seems an odd thing to lie about, you’d surely check that the clinic you name does the surgery you’re talking about?

Have they not confirmed that she had an appointment booked then?!

If she hadn’t she wouldn’t have been able to research clinic names and what they do since being accused. That’s the problem; it seems that she’s having to make up stories without being able to check facts.

And it’s not just how she’s reacted - there’s a very long list of lies, things that don’t add up and too many coincidences! Along with the history.

I’ve just found an article with the name of the clinic. She said she couldn’t remember the date of her appointment and the prosecutor said a day ago that they’ll return to this later.

I’ve just looked up the clinic and they just do cosmetic dermatology from what I can see - oh dear!

I haven’t kept up with the most current details but a few months ago it was said the leftovers she gave the children were mashed potatoes and beans, or whatever the accompanying vegetables were. Not the beef Wellingtons.

BTW, I’ve never had beef Wellington. It looks ridiculously complicated for what appears to be essentially a steak and mushroom pie. I watched Nagi’s video of it (RecipeTinEats) and it was 9 mins long!

I’d leave the mustard out too. Yuck.

From her earliest statements to hospital staff in the days after the lunch, the trial has revealed, she has claimed multiple times to give the children the beef from a remaining Wellington with the mushroom duxelle "scraped off".

In her leaked police statement from August 2023, she also claimed this:

The Patterson children ate the leftovers from the lunch the following night.
However, Ms Patterson said the children do not like mushrooms, so she scraped them off the meal.

It's obvious bullshit, as multiple experts have said the poison from the Death Caps would have permeated the meat and the whole meal.

She definitely gave them some meat - her son said in his taped interview it was the best meat he had ever eaten - but it cannot have been from a BW from the actual lunch. Unless she made some extra non-poisoned ones for the look of it.

Someone said they do do liposuction - even that seems unlikely! - but that's not a gastric bypass.

Which clinic is it?

Unlike Lindy Chamberlain, Erin Patterson has told many lies.

Not sure what you mean by hasn't reacted how we think she should react. What kind of things?

Time has moved on since the Chamberlain case. We have proper forensics now, and advanced DNA testing, and the ability to tell blood spatter from what's now thought to be "a sound-deadening compound from a manufacturing overspray", and we sure as hell would not be asking a UK "dingo expert" for his opinion on the capabilities of a dingo's jaws if it happened now.

This case is full of forensic evidence, and also full of Erin Patterson's lies. Lindy Chamberlain was an honest defendant and was convicted on shoddy forensics.

Haven’t commented before but I’ve been following the thread. Just wanted to chip in that I have a family member who has extreme health anxiety (to the extent that it rules the lives of the entire immediate family) but is also totally obsessed with all things medical, watches every possible TV medical programme, and in earlier life made repeated attempts to enter the medical profession, eventually ending up in a healthcare-adjacent job. Also pushed to get children into the medical profession. These things are often very closely psychologically enmeshed, in my opinion.

ETA I’m nevertheless completely gobsmacked by the frankly incredible things EP is coming out with!