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To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

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Finnyfanjango · 03/03/2023 11:47

I’m interested to hear the thoughts and reactions of others as to me given her cognitive issues and the fact she is partially blind, it just seems like such a sad accident, I can’t see why she was jailed.
I think what she did was awful, but it surely just highlights the lack of appropriate social care she clearly needed?

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Talia99 · 05/03/2023 14:26

WhatNoRaisins · 05/03/2023 14:20

I don't get the ambiguity over whether cyclists were allowed on the pavement or not. It's a human decision over a man made structure. How can it not be possible to know this?

Apparently most of the pavements around there are designated as shared (so there are legal documents saying this) but it isn’t clear where the shared big ends. It might have been behind where the confrontation occurred or it might have been at a point Celia hadn’t reached yet.

It’s a bit of a red herring. There’s no vigilante law in the UK (or in most countries). If Auriol genuinely thought Celia was riding illegally or even if Celia was riding illegally, that still wouldn’t allow Auriol to assault Celia at all far less assault her in a way that led to her death.

Talia99 · 05/03/2023 14:28

Shared bit not big. Sorry, the typos are epic today.

Freddie1964 · 05/03/2023 14:29
  1. "Might well be" is that a legal term? Sounds BS to me.
2.I don't think that Auriol changed her line at all and we don't know what line Celia was taking before the incident. There was not room to safely pass so Celia should have stopped.
  1. Any contact was innocuous and mainly a result of Celia's actions.
  2. The jury were misled. Note that this was a retrial and the previous jury could not reach a verdict.
WhatNoRaisins · 05/03/2023 14:30

I agree it's neither here nor there when it comes to what AG did, it's never a good idea to pick a fight with someone. Just seems odd that they couldn't say for sure and it really seems like they need some proper signage.

GrasstrackGirl · 05/03/2023 14:32

People are sent to jail for supposedly accidental incidents all of the time, why is Auriol any different?

ReneBumsWombats · 05/03/2023 14:32

The jury were misled.

How so?

NerrSnerr · 05/03/2023 14:35

GrasstrackGirl · 05/03/2023 14:32

People are sent to jail for supposedly accidental incidents all of the time, why is Auriol any different?

If she was a man people wouldn't be questioning it and would probably be outraged that the aggressive man didn't get a longer sentence.

Stressedafff · 05/03/2023 14:35

That article is so disgusting and I hope none of Celia’s family come across it. Why the hell are they painting what sounds to be a nasty piece of work in such a light manner. I don’t care whether someone evil enough to force an old lady into a road to die, enjoys bird watching or threw a pheasant into the bin.

She moved towards Celia on that video, the poor woman couldn’t have gone anywhere.
AG also states “if I’m a good girl I’ll be out in 18 months!” yet STILL has intention of appealing? Still no remorse, still doesn’t give a shit what she’s done and still only thinks about herself.

3 years isn’t long enough.

Freddie1964 · 05/03/2023 14:35

It was horrendous because it showed the collision with the car. Nobody needs to see that bit.

Talia99 · 05/03/2023 14:36

Freddie1964 · 05/03/2023 14:29

  1. "Might well be" is that a legal term? Sounds BS to me.
2.I don't think that Auriol changed her line at all and we don't know what line Celia was taking before the incident. There was not room to safely pass so Celia should have stopped.
  1. Any contact was innocuous and mainly a result of Celia's actions.
  2. The jury were misled. Note that this was a retrial and the previous jury could not reach a verdict.

As I said previously, Celia could have hurtled at speed past multiple no cycling signs and it would be irrelevant. Auriol doesn’t get to assault people she thinks are breaking the law. The jury found that’s what she did and that they were sure beyond reasonable doubt Celia went under the wheels of a car and died directly due to an assault by Auriol (I know this because that’s what is required for a manslaughter conviction).

You will notice her legal team have only said they intend to appeal sentence not conviction - they obviously don’t agree this was an obvious miscarriage of justice.

Freddie1964 · 05/03/2023 14:37

There was no assault.

GrasstrackGirl · 05/03/2023 14:38

NerrSnerr · 05/03/2023 14:35

If she was a man people wouldn't be questioning it and would probably be outraged that the aggressive man didn't get a longer sentence.

Exactly.

Having a disability doesn't mean that she shouldn't be sent to prison, disabled people can still be arseholes and be found guilty of breaking laws.

I cannot understand why so many people are defending her, it's bizarre.

FingerPuppet · 05/03/2023 14:38

"Might well be" is that a legal term? Sounds BS to me.

Whether the pavement is shared or not, is completely irrelevant.

BlueSeaWave · 05/03/2023 14:39

Having a disability doesn’t stop you doing right from wrong. Or are all criminals now going to self declare as disabled and get let off. Surely a jury and judge saw all the actual evidence and footage and interviews and decided this was warranted. The full footage wasn’t released publically where it looks like she pushed her. Who Carries on to go shopping after witnessing that and the accompanying screaming/shouts for help even if you thought you were innocent?

Freddie1964 · 05/03/2023 14:39

Auriol is entitled to defend herself. She was only standing her ground in my opinion.

GrasstrackGirl · 05/03/2023 14:40

Freddie1964 · 05/03/2023 14:39

Auriol is entitled to defend herself. She was only standing her ground in my opinion.

Haha you must be kidding or drunk.

Talia99 · 05/03/2023 14:40

Freddie1964 · 05/03/2023 14:37

There was no assault.

The jury who heard all the evidence clearly disagree. So must Auriol’s lawyers since they aren’t appealing conviction.

Bearing in mind Auriol accepts contact (after lying about it in the police interview), I’m not surprised.

CementTrucker · 05/03/2023 14:41

@Freddie1964 - your posts are so ludicrous that I have to assume you’re spoofing some of the more unreasonable posts on here.

You really have to go some to conclude that not only was the wrongdoer here the cyclist, but that she was the only wrongdoer.

What world are we living in that so many people think it’s ok to scream and swear at someone who, even if we accept for one moment was in the wrong in being on the pavement, posed no actual threat. All the while swinging your arms around in a way that is uncontrolled and entirely foreseeably leads to someone falling into moving traffic (this being the most generous interpretation of events).

No, I’m glad that the law recognises that it is criminal to endanger other people because they’ve done something you don’t like or approve of.

NerrSnerr · 05/03/2023 14:42

Freddie1964 · 05/03/2023 14:39

Auriol is entitled to defend herself. She was only standing her ground in my opinion.

Defend herself? Her vision was good enough to see her coming from up the pavement and could have easily stood to one side instead of shouting. If you watch the video if she stepped to one side instead of reacting like she did there would be no issue.

Stressedafff · 05/03/2023 14:42

Its pretty obvious even by AG moving to the side the way she did she intended to force Celia into the road due to her shouting get off the fucking pavement, the outcome could’ve been the same whether she pushed her or not.

Deanandthellhounds · 05/03/2023 14:42

it is annoying considering my rapist (who I know for a fact groomed at least 5 minors) is walking around free. not only free but in a position of power working with vulnerable people.

but it is what it is. a woman shouts and goes to jail, men rape over and over again and get off scot free

GrasstrackGirl · 05/03/2023 14:45

Deanandthellhounds · 05/03/2023 14:42

it is annoying considering my rapist (who I know for a fact groomed at least 5 minors) is walking around free. not only free but in a position of power working with vulnerable people.

but it is what it is. a woman shouts and goes to jail, men rape over and over again and get off scot free

I'm truly sorry but AG going to prison is nothing to do with your rapist not going to prison.

AG was caught on CCTV, she fled the scene and lied to the police until they told her that she'd been caught on CCTV.

Everyonesinvited · 05/03/2023 14:46

Deanandthellhounds · 05/03/2023 14:42

it is annoying considering my rapist (who I know for a fact groomed at least 5 minors) is walking around free. not only free but in a position of power working with vulnerable people.

but it is what it is. a woman shouts and goes to jail, men rape over and over again and get off scot free

I agree.

FingerPuppet · 05/03/2023 14:49

but it is what it is. a woman shouts and goes to jail, men rape over and over again and get off scot free

I’m sorry, but that’s not why AG has been sent to prison. She is not in prison for shouting. She is in prison for causing someone’s death.

BrigitteBond · 05/03/2023 14:51

She's in jail for causing someone's death... by shouting and gesticulating.

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