Mick Lynch called for National Strike

Yes work to rule across all sectors - public, private and voluntary. Unfortunately the UK has lost social cohesion.

Successive governments, and I am including Labour esp Blair's government, have broken down and divided the country. It seems to be every person for themselves.

Mick will be alright, even the unions it's all about them.

Excuse you and your attitude.

I asked a question. That was all. A genuine query regarding if a general strike would include the private sector.

As I don't know. That is usually how a discussion works, with questions and answers.

I wasn't meaning to be rude, but surely you understand the public vs private sector differences. The private sector is an open market. I would definitely strike in support of the public sector.

The country was a lot less divided under Blair/Brown.

Austerity, then Brexit has damaged the UK beyond repair, there is no North Sea oil tax revenue coming over the hill, no Single Market export opportunities or the financial sector booming once again to save us from ourselves....

"Success Governments and i am including Labour" The Tories have been in power for 31 years since 1979, Labour just 13, Lab weren't perfect by any means but we had a functioning health service if nothing else... we ve not even that now.

So its rather unfair to blame the state of the UK on Labour.

Alexandra that simply is not true.
Maternity care especially was in utter crisis at that time and it became fatal for many mother's and babies. Hospitals were closing doors. I don't want to spam with endless headline but please look if you don't believe me.

Blimey - you’re a bit green aren’t you? Isn’t it time to break free of your A-Level student debating society and join the real world?

I tease 😉

Not far left you say? Check out his background: he’s classic Socialist Workers Party fodder who worked his way into the executive of a relatively small but strong union. On the record, his comments shows that he has a healthy respect for any regime that opposes the West and spurns democracy by locking dissidents up. Many current unions have executives that are politically miles away from their membership. They’ve been working on that project for the last 20 years. Unite, NEU, Fire Brigades Union, even the RCN! Although the RCN women (Pat Cullen) is probably a Sinn Feiner.

I haven’t seen your James O’B interview and I won’t waste my time. No amount extensive media training to make his message seem more palatable and reasonable can take away from the fact that he is an extremist provocateur and militant hellbent on infiltrating left-of-centre, social-democratic organisations for the purpose of simply controlling them, rather than actually helping ordinary people i.e. what they’re built to do. Serial underachiever Jeremy Corbyn is a perfect example of this too - he wasn’t interested in winning elections, he just wanted to control the Labour Party to massage his own ego. These people are so transparent it’s unbelievable. Don’t be taken in.

@LakieLady

I've only met him once, but found him quite charming and witty, in a wry sort of way.

Yeah and people say the same sort of thing about Boris Johnson. What does that prove?

I stand by it, he's not far left- certainly not Corbyn- ok maybe left of centre- but I think more people living in 2023 Britain would kill for a little left.

So - two ways have a national strike.

1. Unions carefully co ordinate a walk out of their members on the same day. Remember rules are very strict on strikes and there is not such thing as a legal sympathy or political strike so every ballot will have to be about a reason valid in relevant union members. Doable but very tricky admin and agreement wise.

1. Everyone just walks out of work on an appointed day regardless of ballots or union membership. This is an illegal strike and can and will lead to people being sacked.

If you can link to 500 excess deaths per week caused by waiting for treatments, 2 or 3 day waits for an ambulance, dozens of ambulances waiting at AE to discharge patients during the Blair/Brown years... then i stand corrected.

Specifically on maternity, these scandals continued and got far worse under the Tories, which has been acknowledged by Jeremy Hunt no less. ... 29 out 30 newly trained midwives leave the profession.

The NHS has never been so bad as it is now, we had a trust chairmen recently (giving evidence to a commons committee) advising people not to go to Hospital as its too dangerous.....

He is a Marxist and is trying to destroy the country, he cannot ‘bring’ down the government with an 80 majority, unless Tories vote for it. Do you think Starmer would be better? He is so shit scared of the trans lobby he won’t say what a woman is.

He is a Marxist and is trying to destroy the country

If you were pondering which had been a more destructive influence on the country over the past decade and it was between the government and Mick Lynch, I don’t think many people would hesitate in saying it was the government.

Even the last 6 months. Look what Liz Truss cost the country.

Yes. Definitely up for that!

There is nothing at all in Lynch's background that supports your Daily Mail slur that he is a Marxist.

the only thing that has destroyed the country is 31 years of Tory Government in the last 44 years.

Yes

This government are happy to fork out 6.5 billion of public money to fun the energy support instead of holding the energy companies to account on their record profits.

Retirement age is going to be 68

Thanks to Truss trying to slash tax for the wealthy my mortgage is £400 more expensive a month

Fuck this unelected government.

The current economic situation is really shit for women.

Do you have to be part of a union to strike?

Out of interest what's wrong with being a Marxist, I mean isn't Marxism just way of looking at how society is organised and analysing the class/social/economic relationships/conflicts that arise within it?

Or do you mean Lynch is a Marxism-Leninism ideologue?

Either way even the most ardent of tory can't deny that allowing inequalities to run rampant in an unrestricted capitalist model will result in the breakdown of society. Surely it's better to address this in a structured way than to wait until we descend into revolution and anarchy?

Agree with all of this, especially holding the energy companies to account.

I'd have nationalised the shit out of the fuckers. And the water companies, too.

If they altered how the energy scheme works, they d have more to give to the poorest and have money left over for public sector wage rises but of course the strikes are a means to an end, something to hit Labour with, as Sunak does every PMQs.

These is no reason why, very profitable companies and wealthy individuals get support.

We should have a tiered system... encouraging less use but supporting those least able to afford energy.

I stand by it, he's not far left- certainly not Corbyn -

He sounds exactly like Corbyn to me;

January 2023

RMT general secretary Mick Lynch called on the Labour leader to emulate the guiding principle of his predecessors by putting the word “redistribution” on the front of Labour’s manifesto...

“We need on the front page of the next Labour manifesto, one word: redistribution.
“Redistribution is the fundamental of what Keir Hardie believed in, it’s the fundamental of what Nye Bevan believed in. It’s the fundamental of what Jeremy Corbyn believed in..."

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/rmt-mick-lynch-calls-on-labour-add-redistribution-of-wealth-to-party-manifesto

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

but I think more people living in 2023 Britain would kill for a little left.

Perhaps, but I don’t think people these days think along left or right fault lines anymore. I think people would just like life to get a bit better, be in a position to enjoy a bit more money in their pocket, and for there to be more opportunities for advancement for their kids and grandkids. And I think people can see that since 2010, state resources have been depleted so gradually, and then finally suddenly, that it is adversely affecting their quality of life and mental health. Is a new government that’s left of centre going to address these issues? Possibly, that’s what I believe, but equally but I could be wrong. I just don’t think people will engage that much if it’s being sold to them as a left of centre project, they just want to hear the word solution and then shown a realistic and compelling road-map for how to get there. Possibly.

Well, everything you need to know about Lynch is out there in the public domain, you’re free to acknowledge it or not.

But you’re wrong about Corbyn though. He’s more hard left. Consider the following: a moderate merely ‘left-of- centre’ politician would not consider Hamas and Hezbollah to be “friends” (very much the opposite). He would not defend a luridly antisemitic mural in East London (and double down on it, before finally giving up and conceding that yeah, actually it is quite antisemtic after all). A merely left of centre politician would not lay a wreath at the gravesite of the participants in the massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics. A moderate merely ‘left-of- centre’ politician would have been distraught to learn that 85 percent of British Jews considered him to be an antisemite and that almost 40 percent of them “seriously considered” leaving the country were he to be elected prime minister. Didn’t seem to trouble Corbyn much did it?

Deny it if you want to but by failing to comprehend the clear connection between Corbyn’s hard-left politics and the miasma of conspiracism, illiberalism and antisemitism that that infected the Labour Party during his time as leader, you’re only helping to make the only viable alternative to the Tories unelectable.

And what do you think it is about his ideology and political style that persuaded so many of his supporters to heap vile, misogynistic and antisemitic abuse upon his female colleagues, like Luciana Berger?And then also not even bother to meet with Berger once in the aftermath to check in on her welfare? No, there’s no way a left-of-centre moderate would ever conduct himself and lead a mainstream, social democratic party in this way.

TigerQueen89 NOO you have me totally confused, I'm saying Mick isnt hard left like Corbyn. oh Corbyn was extremely hard left, and I'm Jewish so fully aware of who his friends were.