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Great Dane now on the attack - please can we do something? *Distressing content warning*

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Stryke · 27/04/2023 10:17

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-7-suffers-horror-injuries-29801234#amp-readmore-target

Boy, 7, suffers horror injuries after dog bites him in face and head at pet shop
WARNING - DISTRESSING CONTENT: Little Mitchell Neville was allegedly attacked by the shop owner's Great Dane after going to buy dog food in Belfast, Northern Ireland

YANBU - enough is enough, change the law

YABU - but chihuahuas are more aggressive

Boy, 7, suffers horror injuries after dog bites him in face and head at pet shop

WARNING - DISTRESSING CONTENT: Little Mitchell Neville was allegedly attacked by the shop owner's Great Dane after going to buy dog food in Belfast, Northern Ireland

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-7-suffers-horror-injuries-29801234#amp-readmore-target

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katyperryseyelid · 27/04/2023 14:00

Newpeep · 27/04/2023 13:51

I don't let strange people touch my dog. She is very friendly but I don't know how they will do it, whether she's having a bad day or whether they may accidentally hurt her. Not worth the risk. I've had a fair bit of stick about it though including from someone who wanted to pick her up! I've been called mean and unfriendly. No. I am protecting all of us. She does not need to meet strangers.

Parents should not allow their children to approach strange dogs. I don't touch strange dogs. I am a dog trainer and do not even touch the dogs I teach unless they elicit it and/or I know them very well. I can also read their body language.

It works both ways. The vast majority of our pet dogs are incredibly tolerant living in a world they don't understand. Enormously so. But they are not public property and should not be treated as such.

I have been bitten three times. Once by a farm collie as a child, once by a chihuahua when I was running and once by a pug who went for my dog.

I had a very soppy and gentle looking Golden retriever and honestly, some people try to treat her like a walking teddy bear.

She was very gentile, but she was also a very strong, big, powerful dog from a working line. I had countless parents tell their small children to “hug” her. I always stoped them. You just never know what can happen.

But people just see a big, fluffy lump and don’t consider that their small child running up to it and grabbing it probably isn’t the best thing to encourage.

GettingStuffed · 27/04/2023 14:05

When I was a child I was nipped by my gran's dog. German shepherd/ border collie cross. What had I done to her , absolutely nothing but I had just hit my little sister.

She was obviously protective of the "baby" who was about 2 at the time . She was a very loving dog and this was the only time she did this. It didn't stop me hitting my sister though.
I hate to think what she'd have done if she wasn't normally do good natured.

legalwotnot · 27/04/2023 14:07

YouTarzan · 27/04/2023 13:28

That child’s got nothing more than a couple of scratches, to call them ‘horror injuries’ is ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is thinking all injuries are physical. That's a seriously traumatic event for that child to have gone through. And no, those are not scratches.

@OrlandointheWilderness Children sometimes wander. Every parent I know has lost sight of their child at some point. Or the child can be right beside you but you are looking at something else, especially if you are in a shop. Or the child may have actively neglectful parents. None of these children are more acceptable to be bitten than others. Pet dogs are unnecessary luxury items and owners have one hundred percent responsibility to ensure they do not bite or threaten or intimidate anyone else. Their choice to have a dog, their responsibility. Its not a joint responsibility with the rest of society. It really isn't. The owner needs to make sure their dog will not or cannot attack if feeling annoyed by a child. Its a bloody sad state of affairs that this is an argument which needs to be made rather than just one assumed and normalised in our society.

Stryke · 27/04/2023 14:08

CleverLilViper · 27/04/2023 11:49

Oh come off it.

it’s sad the child was hurt but the way you lot go on every time is as if it’s an epidemic.

teenagers stab each other. Should something be done about ALL teenagers because of the actions of a few?

there’s countless threads like this on this site all fearmongering and all I think is thank fuck I wasn’t raised by any of you or I’d be terrified of every dog going.

You say fear mongering. I say raising awareness. Trying to get through to the dog people that your choice impacts the rest of us, often to disfiguring degrees.

Of course we have other problems to tackle, but we either say as a nation we are going to stop reproducing, and eventually let the human race die out, or we work out how to help our teens. More investment in local activities would be a good start - free or discounted sports hubs, art hubs, supervised socialising. That will help a lot. More money so families aren't struggling at home. Instead we have people donating left right and centre to being dogs over from Romania or the Ukraine. We can find youth centres if we wanted to. We can help our youth.

We don't need dogs. They are a drain on resources, and a danger to us all.

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Nordicrain · 27/04/2023 14:11

Stryke · 27/04/2023 14:08

You say fear mongering. I say raising awareness. Trying to get through to the dog people that your choice impacts the rest of us, often to disfiguring degrees.

Of course we have other problems to tackle, but we either say as a nation we are going to stop reproducing, and eventually let the human race die out, or we work out how to help our teens. More investment in local activities would be a good start - free or discounted sports hubs, art hubs, supervised socialising. That will help a lot. More money so families aren't struggling at home. Instead we have people donating left right and centre to being dogs over from Romania or the Ukraine. We can find youth centres if we wanted to. We can help our youth.

We don't need dogs. They are a drain on resources, and a danger to us all.

There are loads of things we don't need as a society which are in some way bad for us. Fashion, holidays, food and drink, entertainment, cars, technology. The list is endless.

And dogs - generally - are not a danger to us all.

Thesharkradar · 27/04/2023 14:11

Instead we have people donating left right and centre to being dogs over from Romania
Wtf is going on with this?? All these massive disease ridden mutts hobbling around our streets. Our animal charities are overflowing with unwanted dogs and yet people are spending money importing feral dogs from third world countries. Jesus wept 😱

HiggleDyPigGeldy · 27/04/2023 14:11

It’s like guns. We should ban these dogs because they are dangerous.
People who disagree are a bit like the gun lobby saying most gun owners are ok, use guns for protection, so we should overlook how every so often a disgruntled person opens fire on schoolchildren / co-workers / family / random members of the public.

Tekkentime · 27/04/2023 14:13

Thesharkradar · 27/04/2023 14:11

Instead we have people donating left right and centre to being dogs over from Romania
Wtf is going on with this?? All these massive disease ridden mutts hobbling around our streets. Our animal charities are overflowing with unwanted dogs and yet people are spending money importing feral dogs from third world countries. Jesus wept 😱

Is this true? Why would people want to fly over dogs from Romania? If this is true then honestly wtf is wrong with people!

Thesharkradar · 27/04/2023 14:13

food and drink, cars, technology
@Nordicrain are you really trying to argue that we don't need food drink cars or technology?
Do you want to live in the stone age?
how do you propose we survive without food or drink?

DogInATent · 27/04/2023 14:14

You want to ban dogs from pet shops?
Or, you want to ban dogs?

Both are unreasonable. You want to tell that kid that he's got to give up their family dog?

Stryke · 27/04/2023 14:14

kitsuneghost · 27/04/2023 12:48

There is no need for any of this
Perhaps we need to address why people feel the need a non-human 'companion'
It is a weird mentally to keep another animal just for the fun of it.

I completely agree. It's very very weird. And controlling. And weird. And dirty. And weird. But people have been conditioned by TV and film to love dogs (101 Dalmatians, Paw Patrol, etc, they are EVERYWHERE), and the message is that you aren't a complete person if you don't have a dog. And that you are the devil if you don't like dogs.

When dogs are so unhygienic, dangerous, costly, smelly, and people STILL choose to keep them in their homes, I have to think they have been brainwashed by slick marketing.

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katyperryseyelid · 27/04/2023 14:14

Thesharkradar · 27/04/2023 14:11

Instead we have people donating left right and centre to being dogs over from Romania
Wtf is going on with this?? All these massive disease ridden mutts hobbling around our streets. Our animal charities are overflowing with unwanted dogs and yet people are spending money importing feral dogs from third world countries. Jesus wept 😱

Because it is easier to adopt a dog from abroad.

There are very strict rules with rehoming a dog from a charity regarding working hours, children’s ages etc that so many people who could offer a good home don’t meet the criteria for.

ThisNameIsNotAvailable · 27/04/2023 14:15

Did anyone else read the title of this as if there was a Great Dane going round attacking people at random - like someone on a rampage? ‘on the attack’ just doesn’t sound like what it is

SeenYourArse · 27/04/2023 14:15

takealettermsjones · 27/04/2023 10:51

Ridiculous for anyone to own a Great Dane imo, even more ridiculous to parade it around in a shop.

It's disheartening reading about these attacks again and again, and then seeing the inevitable comments:

• It's all about the owner/training
• Children should be taught not to approach
• People need to learn to read a dog's body language

While all of those things may be true to some extent, they are not the most important thing here. The glaringly obvious point is that people are clearly NOT reading dogs well, children ARE approaching, and the owners are either crap or not bothering to train at all. So in that context, something else needs to be done!

I have zero interest in learning to read a dog's body language, I just want them kept away from me and my children. I find it crazy that as a society we're constantly putting the "rights" of people to own massive dogs without any regulation or oversight above our children's right to go about their lives without being attacked or killed.

This ALL OF THIS in SPADES 👌🏼

Thesharkradar · 27/04/2023 14:16

Tekkentime · 27/04/2023 14:13

Is this true? Why would people want to fly over dogs from Romania? If this is true then honestly wtf is wrong with people!

People are just stupid about dogs 🤷
Remember Johnson's wife making sure that dogs were rescued ahead of humans out of Afghanistan

Nordicrain · 27/04/2023 14:16

Thesharkradar · 27/04/2023 14:13

food and drink, cars, technology
@Nordicrain are you really trying to argue that we don't need food drink cars or technology?
Do you want to live in the stone age?
how do you propose we survive without food or drink?

Well we need food and (non-alcoholic) drink to meet our biological nutrional need. The rest is just for pleasure, and doing us significant damage as a society. Obesity and lifestyle related illness cause far creater harm than dogs.

Stryke · 27/04/2023 14:16

Tekkentime · 27/04/2023 14:13

Is this true? Why would people want to fly over dogs from Romania? If this is true then honestly wtf is wrong with people!

Yes, it's true. Meanwhile dog rescue places here are still overwhelmed with dogs (usually bully breeds, to be fair, which most people don't want to take on). I am appalled at the cost. People.donate to save dogs, meanwhile I see GoFundMes for victims of dog attacks rarely get anything.

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hiredandsqueak · 27/04/2023 14:17

Well I've just got back from walking my dog off the lead and no muzzle obviously. I've seen not one other person or dog on the whole walk. I choose to walk where the dog can sniff and explore as do many others around here because early morning and evenings are busier but there are never problems as we all recognise each other and the dogs and leash if necessary. Why should all dogs be kept on a lead and muzzled as a reaction to a seemingly tiny minority of irresponsible owners whose dogs largely injure people in and around their own premises? Most responsible dog owners here exercise their dogs on the trails and avoid the parks and pavements so the dogs can run free. Parents and children tend to use the parks largely absent of dogs.

Thesharkradar · 27/04/2023 14:18

ThisNameIsNotAvailable · 27/04/2023 14:15

Did anyone else read the title of this as if there was a Great Dane going round attacking people at random - like someone on a rampage? ‘on the attack’ just doesn’t sound like what it is

Another dog apologist trying to minimize the fact that a small child was attacked by a dog and suffered large and significant facial lacerations

KittyAlfred · 27/04/2023 14:19

Honestly I get so so sick of these threads with the doggy people saying “teach your child not to touch dogs”, as if that’s the root of the problem.

No, the problem is that society has taken a wild animal and attempted to domesticate it. In some cases this has worked, but in many others it hasn’t, and we now have a country full of semi wild animals roaming around who may or may not bite someone at any (totally unpredictable) moment.

When DS1 was a tiny baby in a pram , we were walking through a car park outside a supermarket, a huge dog ran over and licked his face from chin to scalp. Covered in dog slobber. “He’s just being friendly” calls the owner. My innocent baby has been licked by something that has probably just licked its own scrotum. And of course if it had been in a bad mood it could have taken my baby’s face off. What education should I have given my tiny baby I wonder?

Then a few years later DS2, age 6, was mauled in a park by a dog which ran over to him, totally unprovoked. Blood, flesh hanging off, big chunk of his arm removed, stitches, permanent scar. No owner in sight. What education should my 6 year old have had to prevent this I wonder?

Stop telling me to educate my kids to mitigate the risk to them from your pointless unnecessary wild animal. If a dog owner thinks there is the remotest possibility that their dog may attack someone, whatever the provocation or lack of provocation, they should be the ones mitigating the risk by staying at home.

Unsure33 · 27/04/2023 14:19

Firstly I think you should have compulsory dog licence along with chips and the owners would be fully responsible for making sure dogs are under control . Yes unfortunately it would price some people out of dog ownership but the costs could pay for extra dog wardens . There should be certain areas where dogs are not allowed off the lead . Plenty of dog walking parks about now where you can give off lead exercise .

also for the person who said they don’t want lessons on dog behaviour , dogs are not going to disappear all together so it is a good idea for children not to approach dogs at all tbh .

I live in a village with lots of dogs and am fed up of the off lead ones riling up mine who don’t go off lead .

BitOutOfPractice · 27/04/2023 14:19

Bloody hell! The first post is basically saying “Nah! Not too bad”. Unbelievable! And they say mn is full of dog haters

VincentVaguer · 27/04/2023 14:20

KittyAlfred · 27/04/2023 14:19

Honestly I get so so sick of these threads with the doggy people saying “teach your child not to touch dogs”, as if that’s the root of the problem.

No, the problem is that society has taken a wild animal and attempted to domesticate it. In some cases this has worked, but in many others it hasn’t, and we now have a country full of semi wild animals roaming around who may or may not bite someone at any (totally unpredictable) moment.

When DS1 was a tiny baby in a pram , we were walking through a car park outside a supermarket, a huge dog ran over and licked his face from chin to scalp. Covered in dog slobber. “He’s just being friendly” calls the owner. My innocent baby has been licked by something that has probably just licked its own scrotum. And of course if it had been in a bad mood it could have taken my baby’s face off. What education should I have given my tiny baby I wonder?

Then a few years later DS2, age 6, was mauled in a park by a dog which ran over to him, totally unprovoked. Blood, flesh hanging off, big chunk of his arm removed, stitches, permanent scar. No owner in sight. What education should my 6 year old have had to prevent this I wonder?

Stop telling me to educate my kids to mitigate the risk to them from your pointless unnecessary wild animal. If a dog owner thinks there is the remotest possibility that their dog may attack someone, whatever the provocation or lack of provocation, they should be the ones mitigating the risk by staying at home.

Do you normally catastrophise so much?

StressedToTheMaxxx · 27/04/2023 14:20

Cheapcookies · 27/04/2023 10:28

This line from the article:
"One minute she said he was patting the dog and the dog’s tail was wagging and the next, the dog had Mitchell’s head in its jaws."

She also mentions they looked away from the dog & child to look in a freezer.

I am not making excuses for what happened.

But there are about 14 different tail wags and only 2 of them mean a dog is genuinely happy, assuming the rest of the dog's body language is saying the same time. People need to stop focusing on the tail and look at other body language. Don't let your kid stroke dogs they don't know, or approach dogs they don't know, regardless of what the owner says (because 90% of people can't read their own dog).

I feel really terrible for the child that this happened.

It really shocks me how many dog owners are completely unable to read their own dogs. We were on holiday once and in a pub. The owner (of the pub) was telling everyone about his wonderful serbian rescues that were now pub dogs. Both appeared. The MOMENT they looked at my toddler DD (walking about) I told DH (next to her) to pick her up. Everything about their body language said "not happy" and they went straight in to very hard staring, which is just a few steps away from snapping/potentially biting. The second one did the same thing to my dog once he looked at him.
I told the landlord that his dogs were not suitable to roam free in a pub and we promptly left.

Not enough people have any idea how to read dogs. Equally, there needs to be changes to laws around dog control, and how easy it is to have & own dogs.

I have a friend who is a 'dog person' (and very much only a dog person, not much of a human person), she is also a profesional dog walker/behaviourist.

Her argument is along the lines of yours, that it is up to humans to be able to interpret dogs body language. If say, you are out in the street/park, her opinion is that you should be able to read the 'mood' of the dog and act accordingly, even if you arent interacting with it and it's just in your vicinity. I very much disagree with that. We shouldn't need to learn the body language of dogs to prevent us from getting attacked. The onus is 100% on the owners not to allow their dogs to attack, regardless of if Joe Bloggs on the street is educated in canine behaviour and body language. I do however agree with you in that it is up to us as adults not to let children approach or stroke strange dogs.

Thesharkradar · 27/04/2023 14:20

hiredandsqueak · 27/04/2023 14:17

Well I've just got back from walking my dog off the lead and no muzzle obviously. I've seen not one other person or dog on the whole walk. I choose to walk where the dog can sniff and explore as do many others around here because early morning and evenings are busier but there are never problems as we all recognise each other and the dogs and leash if necessary. Why should all dogs be kept on a lead and muzzled as a reaction to a seemingly tiny minority of irresponsible owners whose dogs largely injure people in and around their own premises? Most responsible dog owners here exercise their dogs on the trails and avoid the parks and pavements so the dogs can run free. Parents and children tend to use the parks largely absent of dogs.

Letting a dog run free on the trails means that walkers runners and cyclists have to navigate around it and are at risk of being chased by it tripped over or knocked off their bike.
Wherever dogs are running free they they dominate the space and ruin it for everyone else.
Dog people are ruining the outdoors for everyone else.