America's Gun Control

"I would say though that I could never understand why Biden was voted in. Now that really was stupid…."

As opposed to the alternative? Really?

'The majority of Americans support gun control.'

Do something about it them. While politicians ban books in schools and libraries your children are LITERALLY being murdered day in and day out with guns.
By their families, by accident, as bystanders.

I can't think of any other country that would sit and call for 'prayers' every time there's a school shooting while refusing to acknowledge that selling automatic weapons of war to pretty much anyone who wants one is the issue.

We don't have to have active knife drills in our schools, our children don't learn the dangers of knifes, I would say they r definitely not compatible, that's to say I don't nessasery agree with calling people stupid

How can they turn back now? Say they did reform gun laws. Only the lawful will hand their weapons in.
Even if they only stipulate a ban on automatic rifles again only the lawful will hand them in.

Then they are left with a country where criminals/crazies/extremists etc have the general public at a severe disadvantage. Its not safe for the USA to reform their laws. They are in an impossible situation

I don’t think you can blanket call the whole country stupid. The gun law isn’t anything they can resolve - it’s the president’s job, and it’s too controversial to debate as there are some very strong, high profile citizens who want to keep guns.

It is not the president’s job! I’m very curious to know what is learned here regarding the American Revolutionary War since a majority of what is written in the Constitution is due to the causes of it.

I used to love the USA. Full of generous, open, charming and hospitable people. When I first went there - many decades ago - I was amazed by the space, the new-ness of everything, the size of everything, the ambition, the sheer lust for life. It was an awe-inspiring place to visit.

But as I've become older, things have changed. On my last trip, I was shocked to re-visit places I'd last been to many decades previously, to find them looking dilapidated, shabby, tired and old fashioned. Add to that many of today's Americans seem to have become less patriotic (in the uplifting, hopeful and optimistic sense of patriotism that I used to encounter and admire) and more resentful and suspicious of each other, and I have concluded that the place really has gone downhill. Almost half of 'em voted to 'make America great again' (by implication, they must feel that the America of today is not great). The God that most of their civic leaders pray to seemingly doesn't listen to or answer their prayers. They clearly don't value the lives of their children as much as we do, because the responses to gun violence that have worked in every other country in the world are well known and could have been copied, but they seem to have decided - and accepted - that other American's kids are expendable. Their values and morality - as a nation, not as individuals - have become a morass of exploitation, hatred and misery and as a result they have been forsaken. Kind of sad, really. I hope they find a way to turn it around. Until they do, I'll probably not be recommending visiting.

It is a bit shuting the door when the horse is bolted. But to just do nothing and say its too late I think is twisted.

But that's the whole point of this thread - teenage boys with knives are very limited in how much damage they can do, and usually confine that to someone they personally have a problem with.

I'll take that over those same teenage boys having access to guns when they feel slighted, ta.

Watching the commentators on US news debating whether or not the doors should be bigger, stronger, bullet proof or the teachers should be armed in classrooms or if veterans should stand armed guard in primary schools is absolutely sickening.
Your doors aren't the issue.
And if the only think you can come up with is MORE guns, MORE violence, I absolutely despair.

Your family member should get out of the house more often. And "redneck" is considered a racial slur which your "family member" should realize what with their vast knowledge of Americans and all.🙄🙄

Ah, another one of these threads.

I'm American, I live in the UK. Based on some things I've seen, like the Brexit vote, people here are stupid in almost exactly the same proportion as Americans. Possibly stupider as they collectively and willingly cast one-person one-vote single issue ballots of self-harm.

I believe somewhere around 70% of Americans want at least some form of gun control (my personal preference would be to ban them altogether except for simple non-automatic hunting rifles which could only be carried in certain instances with very strict permitting), but the PP who said the politicians are bought and paid for by the incredibly powerful NRA, and that presidents lack the political power to really do anything unilaterally, is correct. Blue states tend to have much stricter gun laws, but the Supreme Court (also bought and paid for by the NRA) is doing everything in its power to undermine states' rights to do so.

How would you get it done? How would you make 50 individual States of 330+ million people to give up their weapons including those that live in environments where guns are actually necessary for hunting and protection from wildlife?

The problem they've got is you can't put the shit back in the horse.

It makes me laugh though when people in the UK pontificate about it but then they're all for trident and UK to have nuclear weapons for deterrent which is basically the same mentality.

And this is the problem. No one wants to give them up as they are so entrenched in the system.

But the fact you can go and buy them at Walmart is disgusting.

And yes I’d say a lot of them are ignorant, just like a lot of people in many countries.

Fucking hell what a frightening response.

Yes, the majority of America (outside the two coasts) is extremely poorly funded and educated, and therefore susceptible to brainwashing.

@Mark19735

I was shocked to re-visit places I'd last been to many decades previously, to find them looking dilapidated, shabby, tired and old fashioned.

Almost half of 'em voted to 'make America great again' (by implication, they must feel that the America of today is not great).

Yes, but with all due respect, I can easily apply both those concepts to the UK, although, with the second, it would be over half instead of almost half.

Dying empires are dying empires.

Wallaw agree with everything you're saying. The superiority complex and wilful blindness of English people!

I visit the U.S a lot, and tend to avoid conversations on guns etc.
My husband and his colleague wanted to visit a gun shop and try out a new gun on their range. I went along, I was amazed at how many guns were for sale and how inexpensive they were, so took a photo.

The shop owner was really nice, and I was invited to try a pistol. Was scary but everyone was friendly, it was all controlled and safe - although proved I'm not any good at shooting.
They have gun crime, we have knife crime.

'I don't think we really have a leg to stand on calling Americans stupid when here we have teenage boys going around stabbing people to death nearly every day.'

Do we, though?
And - thank fuck the kids who do commit knife crime here don't have access to anything more than a knife.

2021 -2022 in the Enlgand & Wales there were around 280 deaths using knifes or sharpened weapons. That includes criminals, domestic violence so not just tennage boys 'going around' stabbing 'people'.

2022 ALONE in the US there were just over 20,000 firearms deaths and 648 MASS shootings.

US population is just under 6 x bigger than the UK. So even proportionally those numbers are waaaayyyyy higher.

My American cousin posted this morning about this. She is very anti guns.

Nobody needs the kind of assault rifle that the latest gun nut was carrying.

😀😀

When assault rifles were banned, the figures went way down. That needs to happen again.

And are Americans stupid, no.

The NRA is now among the most powerful special interest lobby groups in the US, with ahuge budget to influence members of Congress on gun policy.

Logical extension of this is rather than carrying an assault rifle and a couple of handguns, the next generation 'school shooter' will pitch up in a privately owned armoured vehicle, then the debate will be about training teachers to fly helicopter gunships.

It's complete and utter insanity. So while I wouldn't say Americans are 'stupid', it's clear a large number of them are woefully short on critical thinking skills.