joining blame culture or genuine case?

[CurtainTwitcher]

On tuesday my DD3 was in shopping trolley which tipped over when my 3+4yr olds tried to stand on one side. The 4yr old did stand on it but 3yr old was just trying to. Between them they probably weigh around 4 1/2 stone. Anyways the trolley tipped over with DD3 sitting in the seat strapped in and resulted in her knocking her head on the floor. Obviously carted off by ambulance and spending around 30hrs on a ward due to them being concerned about bleeding on the brain.
Anyways since telling people when asking about huge bruising around 90% have said that they dont think the trolley should have tipped. The store have phoned last night and said they will be conducting an investigation with it being such a serious incident. So what I am asking is whether there is any responsibility with the store or whether it is just one of those things? I am wondering if people are all on this band wagon of claiming for money or it if it is something that shouldnt have happened considering how many children will be in the store probably doing similair.

Whereas I have only two children, and both are teenagers now, However, my DS is an Aspie, and despite being a trained and experienced teacher with the reflexes of a greyhound on amphetamines, he still caught me out on numerous occasions. However vigilant I was.
So that's why I'm going for accident, without smug overtones of 'proper supervision would have prevented it'
Because sometimes shit happens, and even when it was my fault I'd hope for a bit of understanding and 'There but for the grace of go I'

If I called SS for that the whole country would collapse! We are all guilty of being irresponsible with our dc in some ways, at some times. Mostly we get away with it and unfortunately you didn't this time. As I said before, I hope your DD recovers fully. Don't post in AIBU if you don't like being told off.

OP how scary for you all - hope your little DD is ok.

Just one of those things I would say - you can tell DC til you're blue in the face not to do stuff but they often do.

its not really anyones fault.

it was an accident.

the store have to investigate it as part of h+s i expect.

hope you dd3 isw ok, and dd1+2 wont do it again. but as a mum of 4 girls, i know how impulsive they can be, despite repeated warnings, saying things over and over etc

blimey some people really are holier than thou at times aren't they!!! Agree with Misdee's post.

To all of you who think CT is irresponsible, your all talking a bunch of absolute crap tbh..

Her DD spent the night in hospital for somthing that could have been fatal...

She got the shock of her life, do you think for one second she would have intentionally let her DC's climb on the trolley

Its like everything, they should be designed for a purpose but also designed for possiblity.

As a child what more fun is there than to ride around on a trolley.

Stop assuming your children will be so farking parfect and never ever do anything even slightly child like whilst your back is turned....

Personally I think that if a trolley can tip so easily there is a fundamental flaw in its design....they shouldnt tip that easily (i know from a mis spent youth).....the store should take this incident very seriously and investigate why this happened or god forbid WHEN this happens again it might be a such a luck outcome.
If a child climbs on a school roof and goes through the roof the school is at fault for giveing the child the facility to get up there in the first place - inadequate security........

I say the producer of the shopping trolley, the owner of the shopping trolley and the maintainer of the shopping trolly are all at fault

Any anyone here who criticised CT hasnt got a farking clue tbh

What a horrible accident - they happen so fast, don't they?

I don't think the store is at fault and there is nothing you could have done to prevent it other than to drum it into their heads that they shouldn't climb onto trollies - and if you did it for trollies you'd have to do it for every random accident you can ever think of, which would not leave you much time to say anything else.

I am glad your children are ok.

I wouldnt even mind if I had stated I thought the store was responsible but not once did I actually say that I thought they were.
Typical MN of jump on the band wagon and point at those less worthy.

Hope your dcs are all fine - what a shock for you all. I agree it's an accident but if your dc's are like ds no matter how often you command him to get off the trolley (usually hanging off the front) he still has another go .

Curtain, don't beat yourself up because of what a few holier than thou people say. Accidents happen, and that's the point. You'll feel bad enough and ask yourself what if a million times over but don't.
Everyone is ok and that's the important thing. I think it's good the shop are investigating, they would be irresponsible for them not to.

Obviously, it's unfortunate that your DD was injured, and I hope she is better soon. But sorry, I'm going to have to side with Greenfly on this one. If your children are constantly climbing on the side where you have to be telling them repeatedly (as OP has already stated she has), then you need to find other options. Shop online and have it delivered. Have DH or someone else along to assist you in controlling the children. Get a trolley that has 2 child seats, and put the 3yo in the seat as well, so there's only one on the ground to control. I would be more inclined to say it was "an accident waiting to happen" more than an "accident", as you were aware this was an issue and did not take further steps to prevent it. Obviously, as you have stated, telling them off repeatedly was not working, so further intervention was needed.

We ALL have lapses in supervision, nobody's perfect. But that doesn't mean it still isn't our fault if we have a lapse or don't follow through on a behavioural problem.

The store is in no way at fault, nor are the makers, manufacturers, or those who maintain the shopping trolley. There are signs plainly in view that state what is safe and what isn't. There is a REASON these are called shopping trolleys and not child carriers. It's main purpose is to hold shopping, not support children. I can't believe that anyone is even considering that the store would be at fault. I truly think that society is going downhill when people refuse to acknowledge that they have a responsibility to control their children and attempt to place blame elsewhere.

You know nothing about me or how I parent.

And yet you come to mumsnet with a situation in which discussion of your parenting will happen! :D

It is not a genuine case. Shopping trolleys are for food. This was an accident. It happens. Be thankful your children are not seriously hurt.

The times I have tentatively stood by [ready to catch] as a mother has left a toddler not strapped in, stand on the seat of a trolley, I can't believe my eyes! Then, I get a sharp look off her for saying something like 'be careful!' Yes my children did their best to do this, but I either made them walk or they were strapped in. I know the chaos when shopping with them.

Sorry, it clearly states you shouldn't let your DC climb or stand in the trolley.

God some people are so perfect

i'm just trying to picture it happening,not that i want to,but did the other 2 dc get trapped under? or hurt in any way too?

sorry this happened to you.....could happen anywhere to any of us!

You know you arnt actually answering what the op is asking, you are all assuming that she is going toblame everyone but herself..

I blame the shop.

Stop farking judging and answer the question ffs, or just dont post

and dont start with the "its a free country, i qill poat what i like" because quite frankly, that is boring... and I bet half of you that are criticising wouldnt dare speak your mind like that in person.

the op asked
"whether there is any responsibility with the store or whether it is just one of those things? I am wondering if people are all on this band wagon of claiming for money or it if it is something that shouldnt have happened considering how many children will be in the store probably doing similar".

My kids both climb on shoping trolleys despite telling them not to, have trolley will ride!!...

it does not warn you on a shopping trolley that they will tip over
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Is this ok then, no wonder accidents happen. I hope your DC are all ok and recovering, it must have really traumatised you. It was lesson learned but it was an unfortunate accident.

I have never seen ANY signs at my local supermarket about not letting kids stand on the trolleys? I will look out for them next time.

TBH (and i await persecution) i have let my kids stand on either side of the trolley before and have never had any incidents,nor have i encountered anything resembling the trolley tipping over? Maybe i have been lucky or maybe our trolleys are safer than others?

Glad your LO is OK now, its a very unfortunate accident that the store will investigate as part of H&S procedures with a risk procedure as part of it. Who knows, it may identify that there IS some kind of fault with their type of trolley. Then they can put policies in place to prevent it from happening again.

It's also a bit of common sense!

melika...whcih of course all children are born with?? and parents do have eyes in the back of their head too

Call the health and safety police!
Of course trolleys are made to be played on just like a climbing frame, that's why they make them all child friendly and have lots of toys on them!
Trolleys are meant for shopping, not shoes [which may be dirty] and bums with nappies on.
Except where they are supposed to be, in the seat provided. Do you like the thought of putting your shopping in a trolley where a child has been sitting or standing. Call the hygeine police here!

I am curious..are you saying you want to call the accident helpline (lol) with this?

If enough people went ahead with ridiculous claims like these then supermarket trolleys will be banned so it can never happen again, then you'll have no choice but to shop online.

We can't have warning signs on EVERYTHING people!