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To think BF-ing a 2yr old is, um, weird?

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Lucy85 · 25/06/2010 16:11

Well what do you think? I know it's a very emotive subject, but I've seen it a couple of times and it makes me come over all strange.
I BFed my baby exclusively until 7 months when I went back to work, but the thought of doing it now is just plain odd, - not wrong, it's just I can't imagine doing it to someone who can walk, talk, get their own drinks, eats proper food and is too big to lie sideways on my lap.

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slushy06 · 28/06/2010 21:36

I agree dusty I thought lucy was a troll but she has loads of posts so the only other reason I can see for posting and running is to wind people up . It is a shame that she has hurt so many people feelings for her own amusement .

slushy06 · 28/06/2010 22:00

Well apparently ladies some of our posts on here were used in a article in the observer

DuelingFanjo · 28/06/2010 22:10

really? This week? There was an article in the Observer yesterday about that breastfeeding article in the mother and baby magazine but I didn't see anything relating to this. Do you have a link?

mjinhiding · 28/06/2010 23:18

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aviatrix · 28/06/2010 23:22

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RobynLou · 28/06/2010 23:55

www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jun/27/breastfeeding-is-creepy-outrage

nothing from this thread - the comment is from the thread about the article I think...

verylittlecarrot · 29/06/2010 00:13

I'm not going to read the thread.

YABU.

You've started a thread in the style of a bitchy 14 year old in the school playground, garnering support for her little campaign to pick on and mock her chosen victims.

It would be more honest if you simply looked at yourself and admitted you NEED to find other people to sneer at. And you probably thought you'd find plenty of support for your nasty views. Makes you feel good about how 'normal' you think you are, doesn't it?

Nothing more than insidious playground bullying.

Nasty. Cheap. Ignorant. Insulting. Horrid. Hurtful.

Well done. Thanks so much for your contribution.

KerryMumbles · 29/06/2010 00:15

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thumbwitch · 29/06/2010 00:23

That seems to be the case, Robyn - not this thread at all.
SHouldn't drag it over here but I can't see why she thinks a full-grown bloke sucking on her nips is ok, but a teeny baby doing it is creepy .

chipmonkey · 29/06/2010 00:28

Agree with Lenin that MN is a godsend for extended bfers. The knowledge that there are other people "out there" who let nature take its natural course is fantastic. I also have to thank a lady whose name I will never know, who I met in The Stephens Green shopping centre in 1996 who was bfing her 13 month old, (who by the way was wearing black patent leather shoes) She was so matter-of-fact and normal about bfing her toddler that it always stuck in my mind and even though it took me 3 children to get me to bf past a year, she completely normalised it in my head so that I never had the attitude that some of my friends had that "once they could ask for it, it was time to stop". When bfing ds3 and ds4, there were times I was a bit scared about bfing in public but the memory of that lady and how she was so unfazed by it made me think that if I could bf my todder in public that it might just help to normalise it for someone else.

chipmonkey · 29/06/2010 00:31

Kerry, I think they actually do lose the ability to suckle effectively at about 7 so I am always a bit about articles showing children older than this bfing, I think if the child is still bfing after that they can't be getting much! Articles like this are sensationalist, only there to sell magazines.

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RobynLou · 29/06/2010 01:00

chipmonkey, I remember reading that somewhere.....

they said that once a child has it's adult teeth It's jaw somehow changes and it no longer is able to nurse, which happens at different ages in different children, but around 7 generally. I assumed that was why first teeth are called milk teeth....

nappyaddict · 29/06/2010 01:28

BabiesEverywhere I noticed your DD hasn't self weaned yet and still feeds in the day. Does she still feed in public or does she prefer to do it in private now she's older?

MichaelaS · 29/06/2010 01:29

world average for weaning is 5 years. given that most of the west wean at about 6 months, and that's if they even bother to breastfeed, i'd say the rest of the world are going to 7 or 8.

(ok some people aren't able to breastfeed but the majority of mums who don't do it don't do it through choice. I managed it without a third trimester to my pregnancy and it was bloomin hard but possible with support!)

Flighttattendant · 29/06/2010 07:15

Weird about the Guardian article, that other thread only had 9 posts when I last noticed
maybe I am missing something.

secondcoming, why 'ouch'? He doesn't bite or anything! Well no more than a baby.

you have it SO the wrong way round about 'whacking a boob in'.

When you have tried everything else, bottles, dummies, cows' milk, formula, juice, etc etc and NOTHING gets him to sleep, well I thought as someone who uses a dummy for getting their toddler to sleep, you might actually understand the need to go with whatever it is that works...but you don't seem to get it.

Flighttattendant · 29/06/2010 07:18

...and nappyaddict - does it matter? Why? Given that most of us are able to feed very discreetly with nothing of our breasts actually visible to 'the public' I can't understand why it is an issue.

MathsMadMummy · 29/06/2010 08:28

flightattendant you're probably talking about the second thread (which I started) which is about the guardian/observer article itself, not the original twaddle Mother & Baby article. although people on the second thread didn't really pick up on that

the original thread about the M&B article is in AIBU and is 'to be annoyed that trees were cut down to make this anti-BFing article' or something like that.

Babieseverywhere · 29/06/2010 08:29

nappyaddict,
"Does she still feed in public or does she prefer to do it in private now she's older?"

DD usually feeds at home but this is not a privacy issue, she has no issues with nursing in public.

More that the circumstances when she really wants to nurse tend to happen at home. i.e. Before daddy takes her to bed at night, if she is sick and home from nursery, if she is not being distracted by doing interesting things outside the house.

If you mean would I still nurse her outside the house, the short answer is I would. The long answer is, that threads like this make me aware of how judged I would be for doing so, but the bottom line is we raise our children how DH and I have decide is best for our family and I can not change our lives to make strangers feel better about their hangups.

AFAIR the last time I nursed DD in public was last summer.

Eve4Walle · 29/06/2010 08:46

I haven't ead the whole thread, but OP is being VU.

Breastfeeding is great. One of my closest friends BF'd her little girl until she was 5. What you got to say about that then?

otchayaniye · 29/06/2010 08:51

I can?t believe I?ve spent an hour reading this. Although I?ve seen other threads on other forums about this article, the level of debate is significantly higher here.

Before I had my baby, yes, if I thought about it, I?d have probably thought that feeding a, say 4 year old, was unusual, a little stridently hippyish, but not exactly creepy. I remember being pregnant in Thailand and hearing what must have been a five year old ask his mother very politely if he could ?nurse now?. I remember giggling about it to my husband at the time.

Roll on a couple of years and I?m that woman (my daughter?s not that old though) and have only recently cut back day feeds and public feeding. Not that I give a shit if someone thinks it?s weird, I get enough odd looks carrying a toddler in a sling, but that in our relationship the time has come for the constant feeding to be curbed. That?s just personal to us and if I do see an older toddler feeding (very very rarely) I like to see it. Warms the cockles.

I think the suggestion that breasts are sexual, and that?s why it is worrisome, is a bit of a red-herring. I actually think part of it is down to it being such a cultural meme of nurturing, that it reminds us of how we may think we have failed or how our parents may have treated us less than. When all is said and done, being scooped up into your mother?s arms and held quietly for minutes as she feeds you is about as visually nurturing as it gets (please, I am not suggesting here that FF don?t achieve this, I?m talking about the meme) and it?s a powerful, visual symbol of something, deep down, we are wistful, jealous, longing and maybe regretful over. It isn?t a neutral thing to do.

So when a baby isn?t a baby as such to see this is to be hit in the face almost, with this cultural baggage, and our own hopes and remembrances of our childhoods. When I see mothers treating their children a certain way I wasn?t treated, or when I remember how my father was when I was a child, and I see a father act the other way, it?s very thought provoking, and can rouse deep-seated feelings of regret and sorrow and jealousy. I think this could be playing a part in the ebf debate.

As a journalist myself, I can see that she?s only doing this as an irritant ? stoke lots of debate and sales. My issue with her is that she is misinformed (and she ought to know better) throughout the article and the tone is so deeply snide that

I can judge with the best of them. I hate this about my character. I always try to remind myself that I know nothing about a person?s personal circumstances so it?s impossible really TO judge effectively. I try to be kind, because it doesn?t feel to most mothers that there is enough common decency and kindness from others. This journalist is actually being unkind, just to make sales, and a name for herself. That?s a bit low.

MathsMadMummy · 29/06/2010 09:05

otchayaniye - great post. that is such a good point about the nurturing/jealousy... never thought of it that way before!

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Flighttattendant · 29/06/2010 09:39

Sorry? What? Nooo

I'm nopt after a scrap, I'm just really puzzled that you seem to think it's fine to get a toddler to sleep using a dummy, but not a breast - why?

Flighttattendant · 29/06/2010 09:42

Saying that I do find your point about a toddler not needing to have milk during the day unless he is 'not fed properly' a bit insulting..

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