To think Oppositional Defiant Disorder is taking it a step to far?

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Stop me if I'm ignorant of past posting or discusions on this.

But I recently read about Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) and it just seems a bit of a joke, most people dont believe it exists (as a real 'term') when I tell them!

So ADHD, Autism yes but ODD?

The symptoms are below:

Frequent and/or extreme temper tantrums
Tendency to be easily annoyed by others
Blatant refusal to comply with household or school rules
Takes argumentative stance with adults
Rude, uncooperative and confrontational attitude
Use of mean-spirited language when upset
Deliberate attempts to upset and annoy others
Frequent bursts of anger or resentful attitude
Tendency to place blame on others
Outward and belligerent defiance
Revengeful attitude

Try many teenagers and toddlers that you might know!

havent read the whole thread because the OP has made me SO angry........YES ODD is bloody real.
My Ds was diagnosed with ODD and also has a diagnosis of autism as well.
It is bloody hard to get any sort of diagnosis like that. For us it took over 2 years......thats 2 years of being excluded, picked on, bullied, pushed out.....2 years of doctors appointments, psych appointments, 14 hours of assessments by a full cahms team and the 6 weeks of weekly appointments to do ADOS and IDR-R tests.
For us it makes DSs autism much harder to deal with as he reacts with fight or flight to any kind of negativity at all. His aggression is uncontrollable without medication,he gets suicidal as his behaviour escaltes so fast he feels like he does not deserve to live.
Live with a 7 year old (he is now nearly 10) who is screaming he wants to die and he wishes he could just kill himself and tell me thats 'normal childhood angst!'
infact come and live with us for one week and i guarentee you will not deny the existance of ODD!

just want to add that my sister in law is a headteacher and when DS was diagnosed with ODD she told me in no uncertain terms at that point (before autism diagnosis) that mainstream school would struggle to cope with that diagnosis! she was right .... DS is now in a specialist private school.....it wasnt the autism diagnosis that the mainstream schools were concerned about it was the ODD!

The JollyPirate I have a friend whose DS has PDA but I understood that it stood for Pathalogicl Demand Avoidance and it is recognised as an ASD. You are right though, living with it is exremely difficult.

Frequent and/or extreme temper tantrums
Tendency to be easily annoyed by others
Blatant refusal to comply with household or school rules
Takes argumentative stance with adults
Rude, uncooperative and confrontational attitude
Use of mean-spirited language when upset
Deliberate attempts to upset and annoy others
Frequent bursts of anger or resentful attitude
Tendency to place blame on others
Outward and belligerent defiance
Revengeful attitude

my DS was these symptoms for 2 solid years when he was younger. unrelenting. but he's fine now? obviously you cant stop being on the spectrum, but he was like this all day and all night, maybe about 3 okayish days in those two years. so i dont know! he's completely fine now! ive heard of it but never read the symptoms before but this fits his behaviour at the time exactly, but he's 17 now and has never shown any of this behaviour since he was 6?

Have never put a message before so please bear with me. School called yesterday after numerous discussions about 'tricky' 10 yr old dd to suggest she might have ODD.

Husband totally against getting a label but reading post from Bonkerz who said of her son... is screaming he wants to die and he wishes he could just kill himself and tell me thats 'normal childhood angst!' sounds too familiar and perhaps all these years I should not have been blaming her temperament and my 'lacking' parenting skills.

I know shcool are not trying to get rid of her but Head thought it might explain why she behaves as she does.

Where is best place to start? She regularly displays 10 out of 11 symptoms for ODD but is getting easier so do they grow out of it? Have googled (how I arrived here!) but as she is not showing signs of autism or ADHD is there much anyone can do? All I want to do is make her life easier - being Miss Angry much of the time cannot be fun. Learning that sometimes 'playing the game' is just easier and we all have to do things we don't want to are life skills that school and in honesty I, think she should have learnt by now - perhaps I am wrong. Could ramble on but in view of husbands initial view does anyone have any guidance on where I could start before I take leap to visit GP?

DS1 has been diagnosed with ODD, now i have had numerous threads on here about his behaviour many prior to a diagnosis.

I have looked into many sites about it and have had child psychologists and now camhs are involved.

There are people who say that upbringing is the cause, there are others who say it is genetical.

I personally am not sure what causes a child to have/be ODD. I just know it is bloody hard work. Yes DS1 has tantrums but they are not normal tantrums which you can distract him from. Anything can trigger one and once it has started it is very hard to cope with. there are days when I am reduced to tears and I want to throw a tantrum out of sheer frustration!!! I just have to carry on and try to pacify/calm him down.

I try my hardest to avoid anything causing him to have a meltdown and sometimes trying to avoid it causes one anyway so it leaves me feeling I cannot win either way.

It was discussed by camhs that he may have conduct disorder but since further meetings they have said no it is ODD and they are now going into the school he is in to give them tatics to deal with him there as the behaviours he displays are now not only present at home but in school as well.

When he is having a good day he is the most adorable loving caring boy on earth but when he is having a "twitchy" day and I am feeling at the end of my tether there are times I want to lock myself in my cellar and hide until it passes....obviously I cannot do this as I have to be there to make sure he doesn't pass out which is something someone on here mentioned about there DS.

It is easy to lay the blame on parents because of a childs upbringing, or what the child has seen or done or been told, its not easy to cope with a child with ODD and when threads like this are started it does cause upset to those who have a child with it.

ODD is very real, it is just another disorder which for years never had a name and children were labelled as just naughty!!!

I believe my ds aged 10 has ODD. He also has ADHD and our family life is so strained because of it. Life at home is so horrible as he is so vile to us all but its me and dp that are blamed for his attitude. My dd1 told me she gets embarrassed because her brother is so nasty to her, us and rude at school and she is only 7. Sometimes he can be the sweetest boy but thats becoming rare

Sheep, it is easy for others who don't understand a disorder or are fearful of it to lay the blame on parents. There are many factors that can cause ODD.