In not having much sympathy with a couple on £45k plus per year having some benefits cut?

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There is loads of this on the news just now about how "middle income" families will be having some child tax credits cut and might be paying more tax. They news are showing what to me looks like comfortable off families having to do with a bit less. Is this really so bad? I know an income of £45-£50k per year might not be much in central London but will keep you in style in parts of the north, but how bad will it be? So people might have to change jobs/give up the second car/holiday at home instead of Spain every year? SO WHAT? There are plenty of us living on less than £25k a year who have had to cut back since having kids and take this as a fact of life.

I know MN is made up of mostly middle earners and I'll get pelters for this, but I don't really care. Anyone I know on a middle income can afford to give up some things _ its called life.

I think that parent and child parking spaces should be abolished and the extra space saved should berented out to the middle income families to put their cardboard boxes when they have to lose their homes

oh and that is mumsnet no mumsent this site sooo needs an edit facility!

In true bingo fashion I may pop out for a fag, but I'm otherwise sat here with a massive marker pen, yes.

I'm not sure what that says about me.

in bingo style im sat wi ma maw waiting on wan number

ha ha tether but please dont talk to me about fags, i have given up due to pregnancy but how i would love a quick roll up now the kids are all tucked away in bed!

HOUSE!!!!

shut it!i was hoping for nice ham.not parking

Cheers

And also start weighing children before they go shopping so they can't steal the grapes and thus bring down the profits of the supermarket and overall tax revenues

Don't worry sm, I'll split this value bottle of whisky and fire-damaged oversized soft toy with you.

ha ha i am pmsl at how this and another similar thread has turned out, we are playing bingo and on another one they are discussing showers!!

anyone said not like ole days,troll,journalist

they are prize mn clichés.treble points

happy to share spirits.nae flaoters now ya manky mare

Oh thanks ladies for cheering me up I read first few pages which as a single working mother was of interest (CTC WTC etc) then switched to page 18 where talk of working mums is!!

I kinda went from to in 0-60!!

What about taking a large pushchair on public transport? Does that get a bingo point?

my rent on a 2 bed flat (one of the rooms is damp) no garden tiny bathroom , kitchen/living room is £1300 per month, thats in se london, so that is a massive part of our income, much more than other parts of country

yes.prams on buses esp bugaboo triple points.mn kerching

I sooo need a wee but theres someone in the loo allocated for use by disabled people. I don't have a disability but I do have a pushchair

dont wet sweat it.buy radar key,access all bogs

I very much doubt they will cut childcare as its meant to be for the very low earners and if they cut it not many will bother going back as it is better to be on benefits.

I only make £60 more a week than my best friend for doing 30 hours and she doesnt work at all. (both married with husbands on the minimum) I only do it as I am doing a childhood studies degree and want a career but most people on minimum wage are just doing a job. Even with all the childcare subsidies a lot of low income earners quit their jobs and become stay at home parents. It would make more sense to get everyone to go back rather than claiming even if its just 16 hours.

If I didnt work as well I would get healthy start vouchers, could be entitled to housing benefit (cant as mortgaged but others could), way more tax credits, wouldnt get to keep tax credits as all mine go on childcare etc. It makes sense not to work as its an easier life and more profitable so it wouldnt save the government any money in the long run thats why everyone does it. If it wasnt for my degree I would be doing it as its a damn sight easier than having to both work

God threads like this rile me.

I think both expat and quattro have summed up my feelings perfectly.

We are in huge debt as a country
Everyone is going to feel the pinch either through lower benefits or higer taxation.
And I would say that 95% - 99% of households in this country will have to make a lifestyle adjustment.

How is this a competition on who will be worse off? How on earth can you be in a position to judge?

And for the judgemental and tbh ridiculous posts about those families on higher incomes, be careful what you wish for. The so called 'cappucino drinking' brigade (what an offensive and ignorant generalisation) may well spend their disposable income on all sorts of 'luxuries'. But bear in mind that these all keep the economy going - new cars, holidays, eating out, cleaners, childcare etc keep people in work.

If we can afford to live without the luxuries, then maybe a lot more people will find themselves out of work.

I agree with you, it's a logical step for the Govt to take, it's just ashame it's taken them so long to come round to this way of thinking!!

Hopefully the lowest earners will benefits from this change.

We are no where in that region of a household income, yet not poor either. It seems if you are in the middle you get screwed either way though.

'Hopefully the lowest earners will benefits from this change.'

I wouldn't hold my breath.

mistletoe makes an interesting point about the luxuries, though.

a lot of small businesses specialising in such things went bust during the recession.