In not having much sympathy with a couple on £45k plus per year having some benefits cut?

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There is loads of this on the news just now about how "middle income" families will be having some child tax credits cut and might be paying more tax. They news are showing what to me looks like comfortable off families having to do with a bit less. Is this really so bad? I know an income of £45-£50k per year might not be much in central London but will keep you in style in parts of the north, but how bad will it be? So people might have to change jobs/give up the second car/holiday at home instead of Spain every year? SO WHAT? There are plenty of us living on less than £25k a year who have had to cut back since having kids and take this as a fact of life.

I know MN is made up of mostly middle earners and I'll get pelters for this, but I don't really care. Anyone I know on a middle income can afford to give up some things _ its called life.

Ridiculous to suggest that working mums get a hard time on MN. They get as much of a hard time as SAHM's do, both sides give as good as they get. Have frequently read on here that SAHM's are setting a poor example to their daughters, are essentially lazy etc

wish it could just be mutual support or at least live and let live

I dont have any idealogical feelings either way - i work pt, but I was pleased last week when my ds thought it really odd that his dads gf didnt have a job (and has no dcs), 'what does she do all day mummy?'

I like the fact that my dcs (and especially my ds)thinks it normal for women to work outside the home.

Am compltely off thread though now - sorry.

emkana i dont think thats fair to say actually, in my shortish time on mumsent i have seen some crappy threads sayign that nursery is bad for young children, boys esp, then again i have also seen some crazy thread saying that i will essentially have ensure that ds4 gets cancer when he is older as i bottlefed him whatever!

and as an aside i DO worry that me not working means that my boys will grow up with a view that women should be in the home, BUT i am doing my best to instil in them a sense of pride and responsibility in the home being OUR home and that measn them helping out and they realise that i do have a job, just not a paid one. they are also aware that when i have had the time, childcare etc i volunteer to help out, with pnd groups, bfeeding support, in schools, playgroups etc i hope they will take that on board.

and my toddler has now brought me his pjs and his blanket! i think he wants!! to go to bed so i really need to leave this thread for a bit.

Cheers 4madboys, missed that one...

...HOUSE!

not ridiculous in the least.not given the why have em if you let reprobate staff watch em.

threads about how nursery causes
long term damage
plooks
sociopathic tendencies
...biddulph tambourine anyone

thing about these treads is tempo changes over day,depending on who is posting and when us absent mums return from work

Oh bollocks, no, I forgot P&T parking spaces...

4madboys - I wasnt having a go at you - my ds thinks its perfectly normal for a parent to be at home - within his friends its half and half - what he thought was abnormal was someone not working when they didnt have any dcs...

Am sure your boys see enough doctors, teachers and bus drivers etc to know that lots of women work!

Generally those "nursery causes harm" threads go like this -

"am worried have read this am I damaging my child by sending him to nursery"

five million people reply saying don't worry it's fine

maybe two or three say why have them etc

Agreed SM. Always best to post a 'nursery is evil' thread at 9am when all the bad mothers are too busy at work to read it !

4madboys - apologies for my earlier 'dig'. Totally agree that 'live and let live' is the way to go, but then we'd never need AIBU and life would be boring!

you omit the give it all up brigade.sell up,exfoliate with brillo pad,no haircuts,no extraneous fripperies crew.there's millions of them.every one a tambourine owner

What is a precious moments mama? And a plook?

Precious moments mama = Whilst your children are caged in nursery undergoing terrible maltreatment, I will be feeding the ducks/doing crafts/making bread/doing yoga with my adorable DCs. Must trot as I need an early night, so I can be ready to make pancakes when DD wakes up at 5......

precious moment mama=id never leave gluteus maximus for a nanosecond with strangers and alsations in nursery i never want to miss any widdle smiles,precious moments or farts

plook= spot

SM - xpost

I got bored at about page 12 and flicked to the end of the thread...what on earth happened

pmsl you two...

This is why I hate it when people slag off when higher income couples can claim benefits. Pah- our society is so sexist. It's ok for middle class couples to claim benefiots but not us single scum. How dare we live without a man! (sorry for slightly off topic rant!) YANBU

slag off single mums sorry!

ha ha i am pmsl at some of these comments

adn btw i am not too bothered by 'digs' and i hope i have answered any in an ok way? i like to have a bit of a debate, i DO miss the whole adult discussion thing, tho my ten yr old and also my seven yr old are quite interested in politics, but it is more fun to have a debate with adults.

the one problem with online debates ifind is that you dont get the 'tone' in which things are said, yes smilies etc help, but wires can often still become crossed.

adn shambles yes my boys all have female teachers, and my mum is a nurse they see plenty of females that do work, but still the thing about being a mother is the GUILT, you ALWAYS feel guilty, one good thing my psych has taught me to do is to distinguish between necessary and unnecessary guilt! and that we have to be 'good enough' and not perfect!

yes i am definitley good enough mother.dont berate myself for doing it either

Parking

Lenin - think that's the median earnings for an individual. Could not easily find what median earnings were for a household.

tether - are you still there sitting patiently? What a great image that is

can i ask what is the issue about parking? i have seen it mentioned a few times on mumsent andi dont get it, really dp and i rarely use parent and child parking, we just park where there is a space available, NOT a disabled bay obviously, but do we really need parent and child bays?