To think Dr Who writers are losing it.

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Just because they had some fantasy about DW and his assistant doesn't mean they should force it on everyone else. I watched tonight with my 10 year old and the final scenes made me really cringe.

Good God! I wish I could blody well snog him. Raaaaaah!

I am hoping she was possessed

I'm hoping simoncowellissatan is too

My nearly 12 year old was mortified by the final scenes.

And yes it is a family show, not a kids' show, but to be fair the BBC relentlessly markets it to kids, with toys, books, comics, etc etc etc.

Torchwood was supposed to be the adult version.

I just think it was a bit unfair. They need to decide who they are writing it for.

Ahhh I'd jump his bones too in that situation.
I dont see the problem it was just a kiss. Thought it was quite funny actually. The look of panic on his face.

I know a lot of 8 and 9 year olds who watch Dr Who also watch Eastenders, Coronation Street,Twilight, etc. Some parents leave these kind of things on in the background when their kids are much younger too, so their kids become desensitised to it.

My own dd can't stand tv for adults on the whole, though to be fair, she hasn't seen much. She doesn't watch much tv at all, in fact, but she enjoys Dr Who as it's a family tradition. She also watched Robin Hood, which was much more violent imo and had more snogging etc.

I thought the scene was appropriate and funny. I warned my daugher it was coming as I'd seen a spoiler on the net. She was non-plussed.

She's 9 now and it's something she's slightly embarassed by but if she'd been younger I think this would have gone straight over her head. She'd have just thought they were being silly.

I do think that the overt sexiness of the new assistant is fuelling these fires. Rose was more 'homely' in a way...younger too. Perhaps that's what's more shocking???

I let DD watch Dr Who.
I wouldn't let her watch Eastenders or Coronation street because they are Shit.

I judge what she is able to cope with developmentally and emotionally. I also judge what constitute quality tv and what constitute dross

constitutes.
I have lost my sss-es

the beeb markets it to kids because kids buy merchandise.
true, but you are missing something here, DW is a cult sci-fi series.
all the stuff you buy your kids are collectables to the sci-fi nerds!

and what makes DW so special is that sci-fi is just ONE of the genres it fits in. action, adventure, comedy, horror, romance, drama. it's why it works so very well and appeal to sci-fi nerds, people like me, my teenage kids, and your kids.

yeah, pagwatch i agree. i actually think parents who let their kids watch eastenders/corrie etc dont realise what they're exposing them to, i find those programmes far, FAR more innapropriate than doctor who. what with the rape, murder, incest, cheating, gambling, addiction...the list goes on.
and also they're shit. and if i caught my kids watching hollyoaks id smash the TV.

Well, exactly Britfish, which is what makes me cross. It seems cynical.

And I know a lot of the toys are collectables, but I doubt the Doctor Who magazine is...or Tardis pjs in age 5-6.

I just get really annoyed when I see merchandise squarely aimed at kids that is connected to programmes that are definitely NOT. South Park pencil cases, etc.

I've never had any reason to moan about DW up to this series. A lot of the themes they have explored have been mature and complex and challenging for my ds, as well as bloody good fun and a bit scary.

But I don't really see why it's necessary to have a kissogram girl waving her legs all over the place and throwing herself across a bed demanding to be "sorted out" the day before she gets married to someone else.

I just don't see why I should have to start explaining that one to my lad after two beers on a Saturday night.

Not necessary and yet another example of casual sexism on telly. We haven't really moved on very far from "give us a twirl, Anthea" in the seventies.

I would just like my boys to have at least one example of a female role model who isn't defined by her attractiveness and sexual availability.

I think Dr Who should remain a sexless show

just because that's what I like, not for any bigger reason

you see, I thought amy just wanted to escape a life of dullness and was about to say 'I'm with you, bud, whether you want me or not'.

I didn't think she was about to shag him

I didn't have to explain anything, though, to my 13 and 11 yr old. We just all sat quietly until it was over.

pointy.

Was there a tense atmosphere?

I may have studied the Saturday Guardian rather too closely at that point. And possibly upside down.

I thought it was Stephen Moffat this time.

Was expecting great things.

Wasn't so much tense, bobs, as oh lordy, we didn't expect to mentally confront sex while watching an exciting dr who episode. Let's ignore it

Yep, same here, pointy. DS was very quiet while it was happening, then turned to me and said "I don't think that was very necessary. What was the point?"

at prudey ds. He gets really embarrassed. DS2 wouldn't have given a hoot. It's just a shame that the prog he waits all week for ended up mortifying him in front of his parents.

Oh well.

Well for the first time in the new Dr Who series, i watched it while surfing the net and playing farmville on facebook!

I know i am still gutted that DT has left and i have truly tried to warm to MS, but dammit i just cant!!!!

When DT and CE played the doctor, i watched it avidly, no one phoned me, and i was hooked! Now its just kinda in the background and i look up from time to time. My kids also thought the kiss was cringeworthy! and i was just waiting for that scene to end!

Every week i hope to be impressed by this new series, and apart from the episode with the smilers, i'm left thinking, "meh".

See, it wasn't the kiss that bothered me. It was the way Amy was actively trying to undress him, even taking off his suspenders at one point. Then draping herself across the bed and asking to be "sorted out". It really isn't the type of imagery that I would want anyone under the age of 12 to be exposed to.

And this following the kissogram and reference to porn in Episode 1, so it's quite a running theme.

Take the point that it's a FAMILY show, not specifically a kids show. But kids do watch it, they are part of the target audience.

And sorry but Eastenders, Hollyoaks etc are not appropriate viewing for children, whatever anyone might think.

The thing you have to remember is that a lot of the sex references go right over the head of children.

Me and DP were talking about it a while back, there are a load of films which had blatant sex references in them when we were kids, we were totally unaware. And actually just found scenes with kissing a bit gross - not in a traumatising way, but in a "ewww, why would you do that" way.

I thought the angels couldn't move if they were looking at each other? It didn't seem to bother them last night.

Much less scary now they are moving and talking.

I was OK about the kissing. She is a kissogram so probably a bit of a slapper so it would be in character. My dcs are a bit too young to get the "sorting out" reference so it just sailed over their heads.

My problem with the amy pond character is her inconsistency. One minute she is all gung ho and the next she is a complete wuss. I liked catherine tate.