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Would I be unreasonable to deface this poster

288 replies

thursdaynamechange · 23/04/2010 17:14

BNP poster attached to railings at intersection - it says:

"People like you vote BNP"

There is just enough room to scrub out 'you' and put Nazis.

I'm seriously considering it - I'm all for democracy and I wouldn't give a rats ass if someone defaced the Tory ones with 'duck pond'.

As far as I'm concerned the leader was/is a Holocaust denier (he says he was but he's come round now) so to scribble NAZI on it is accurate and not a slur.

OP posts:
shockers · 24/04/2010 15:56

No... it makes me sad.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 24/04/2010 15:59

An informed choice, eh?

What's the BNP's policy on Ireland?
Off the top of your head. No googling allowed.

SpringyThingy · 24/04/2010 16:01

So come on then daftpunk, spread your message, after all you are going to need a hell of a lot more supporters to really make that vote count. What is i specifically about the BNP that you support and why should we be opening our eyes to their policies?

(And lets try and keep sweeping generalisations like "benefit claiming druggie mothers" out of it and stick to facts and stats.)

carolondon · 24/04/2010 16:17

Well daftpunk, we are all waiting to hear the reasoning behind your informed choice. Which policies exactly do you support?

SpringyThingy · 24/04/2010 16:22

Come on! I'm ready and actually do not want to bait or attack, I just am honestly interested in how people form the views that inform your choice to vote for such an unpopular party.

daftpunk · 24/04/2010 16:23

All the BNP's policies are on the internet for you to see, just like any other political party. I won't lie and say I support the BNP because of their policy on Ireland, I support them for other reasons, that's up to me, Labour are fighting this election on one key issue, the economy, The BNP are fighting it on immigration.

The BNP are in Europe and running councils, you can't ignore them anymore.

carolondon · 24/04/2010 16:25

What reasons? Are you ashamed to say? I will own up and say i do not know all their policies for this election so you have a chance to educate me.

Which policies do you support?

Janos · 24/04/2010 16:29

YANBU OP. Go ahead and deface the poster with impunity.

SpringyThingy · 24/04/2010 16:31

Yes and there's my point. If you are going to vote, you owe it to yourself, your children and your country to know what you are fighting for. Like you say, it's all there to see so what is it that has convinced you that BNP is the way to go?

I'm honestly not attacking, I'm interested to know. If immigration is the only thing you care about, that's fine. But along with mass deportation (which if you agree, fine) comes corporal and capital punishment, national service e.t.c...

IveStillGotIt · 24/04/2010 16:35

I am not racist, i think it's disgusting when people are attacked and abused just cause of their skin colour.
I am NOT poor white trash, im not loaded, but we get by, i am not trash, yes i live on a ok-ish council estate, but i work hard and pay full rent and council tax.
I am not uneducated, as you will know the situation from my earlier post, i got my highers 8y ago, yes my spelling is shite, it always has been, however that doesn't make me thick, im just better at other things.
I am aware of their policys, i've just read their manifesto, and i agree with most of them, however i do think the married mans allowance should be married couple, and i will mention this to my local BNP candidate, when she is in my area.
Also i notice the dodgy sounding policys that most of you on here have been spouting off about, where not mentioned in the manifesto? wonder why that is? wheres your evidence of these policys? Especially that absurd suggestion that a man can legally rape his wife? Where the F did you here that one?
And i would like to add that the people on here who have said that they detest the BNP, but do not agree with their posters being defaced, are V mature adults, i respect the fact that you have an opinion which differs to my own, yet you are not running around like yobs vandalising other peoples property.

daftpunk · 24/04/2010 16:37

Ashamed? what are you talking about...

I support the BNP because I want to stop the Islamification of my country. I want all illegal immigrants kicked out, I don't want anymore asylum seekers here, we simply can't afford them, they put a massive strain on housing, schools, the NHS, and other services. I want UK born people to go to the top of the housing list, I don't want Islamic extremists here on benefits, they hate everything about the west, but happily take free housing and what ever else they can get.

I have said all this about 1000x on here.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 24/04/2010 16:40

And since all governments of all parties always try to kick out illegal immigrnts, what makes you think the BNP would be any more successful?

carolondon · 24/04/2010 16:43

ivestillgotit, you have not answered my question about corporal punishment.
Do you really think teachers should be allowed to assault children?
I ask this as a teacher who has taught in a very deprived area for the past 11 years and have taught many challenging pupils who do not respect others and do their best to disrupt others education. However i still do not believe that corporal punishment is the way forwards. Many of these children are difficult because they have suffered abuse in the home. I fail to see how abuse at school will make things better. Children learn violence from violence.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 24/04/2010 16:43

And in fact, the BNP's policy is not to refuse all asylum seekers - sorry to disappoint you DP - I guess someone finally explained the Geneva convention to them. The policy is to return any asylum seekers who passed through a safe country to get here.
Oddly, the exact same policy as the current government.

So what do you think would change in the treatment of these asylum seekers?

daftpunk · 24/04/2010 16:45

No, that's where you are wrong, Nick Clegg has said he will leave the illegal immigrants alone, he wont even bother trying to find them...that's a Liberal government for you. Nick Griffin will find every single one of them and put them on the first plane out of the country....that's how it should be

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 24/04/2010 16:46

By the way, since DP didn't answer my question , I'll pop the BNP's Irish policy here for reference:

"In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles"

Since Eire (Eire?! WTF?) would not be terribly happy about this, I assume it involves sending in troops to, er, 'welcome' them. Which should be fun.

daftpunk · 24/04/2010 16:47

Genuine asylum seekers probably account for about 1% of all applications, hardly worth mentioning.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 24/04/2010 16:50

Daftpunk - Nick Griffin will personally find every illegal immigrant?

Like I said, we already have substantial resources devoted to preventing illegal entry and deporting illegals. How would the BNP improve this?

Otherwise, it's like saying NG will stop burglary by putting every burglar in prison. Well, it would work, but it's a bit tricky to catch them all in practise.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 24/04/2010 16:52

1%, eh? Did you look that up, or is it from the DP school of stuff-I-just-made-up?

SpringyThingy · 24/04/2010 16:53

Ivestillgotit I have't called you any of those things and frankly I think they are irrelevant. I am so glad that you have now read the manifesto as at least now you are making an informed decision. My point was tha many, many people are cming around to some extreme views through sensationalist propoganda.
However, it is important to realise that a manifesto is also that, it represents what the party believe, written in a way that will grab attention and sensationalise. They all do it and my belief is that there are other, less extreme views out there that tackle our big problems without causing so much pain and degredation to so many preople.
The one point I hoped you notice about their maifesto is tha they provided virtually or facts or figures, just hearsay and headlines, of which this is just one example:
" The BNP will review all citizenship grants awarded since Labour entered government in 1997, based on that party?s admission that they orchestrated mass immigration to change forcibly Britain?s demographics and to gerrymander elections."
That didn't happen and Labour made no such admission. This is just one and literally hundreds of false representations written in their manifsto.

carolondon · 24/04/2010 16:56

Dp, would you really send home all the doctors, teachers and nurses who are immigrants? Who would we replace them with? I hardly think that people who have sat on benefits most of their lives and have no qualifications will be able to to treat you when you are sick or educate your children. Immigrants make up a large part of the health and education workforce.

SpringyThingy · 24/04/2010 16:56

Sorry about sp's - keyboard is rubbish!

"they provided virtually no facts..."
hope you can unerstand the rest

IveStillGotIt · 24/04/2010 16:59

I actually made my thoughts on the cane known last night, however you may not have seen my post.
I think it should only be allowed in secondry school, NOT primary.
I am sick of the do-gooders treating these yobs too softly, and playing their violins at full volume, with their sob storys about not having a dad, mum on drugs e.t.c.
A school in my area rewards these yobs with trips go-carting, fun fairs and the like, just for turning up at school and managing not to swear for a week! The decent kids who turn up at school and behave get NOTHING!
So yes i do think these yobs and yob-etts should get caned when they're bad, the cane/belt was out when my parents we're at school, and it worked back then!

SpringyThingy · 24/04/2010 17:00

Another one that really me..."At current immigration and birth rates, indigenous British people are set to become a minority well within 50 years. This will result in the extinction of the British people, culture, heritage and identity."

I'm not doubting the figures as I haven't researched them, but what about the National Trust, Heritage Foundations, the hundreds of historical societies e.t.c. Also, don't we have enough BNP supporters that will only breed indigenously to ensure we don't become extinct? No? Well perhaps this is not even worth discussing then?

BitOfFun · 24/04/2010 17:02

Troll