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Original poster

to think that if parents smoke they are very selfish......

115 replies

posieparker · 13/04/2010 18:31

considering between 500 to 1,000 children a year end up in hospital because they are exposed to their parents' smoking.

OP posts:
lowenergylightbulb · 14/04/2010 12:56

Yeah, we're selfish, generally quite evil and are responsible for all the ills in society.

WW2 -Smokers
Racism - Smokers
Credit Crunch - Smokers
Fall in house prices - Smokers
Rise in unemployment - Smokers
Climate Change - Smokers

And we kill children too.

MorrisZapp · 14/04/2010 13:11

YANBU

Even when the kids are adult it's still selfish imo. My mum smokes like a chimney and subjects us all to the worry of what might happen to her health in the future.

Kids are taught that 'smoking kills'. Imagine thinking that your mum or dad was going to die.

And it does absolutely stink.

Francagoestohollywood · 14/04/2010 13:21

Yep. Selfish bastards. Kill them all. Get rid of unhealthy, unwholesome people. NOW.

LadyBlaBlah · 14/04/2010 13:54

You could get votes with that stance Franco

ShinyAndNew · 14/04/2010 13:58

I tell you what I'll stop smoking outside my back door with the door and windows shut if you stop driving your exhaust fumes past my children while they are walking to school.

You know what be even better? Stop driving your bloody cars through the park.

YANBU to say that smoking in enclosed spaces with children is bad, but many smokers don't do that.

YABU to say that all smokers smoke in front of their children.

porcamiseria · 14/04/2010 13:59

yet another smokers are as bad as paedophile thread

YAWN

dont ever EVER move to Spain I urge you

Francagoestohollywood · 14/04/2010 16:40

I know Lady. It's sad, isn't it?

LittleMissHissyFit · 14/04/2010 19:26

Oh crap, here we go again... bash bash bash, and I'm an ex-smoker, so as much as I hate it, I hate these self-righteous threads even more.

Egypt pisses all over trumps Spain porcamiseria...

btw... porca... love your nickname, always wondered why you chose it....

LittleMissHissyFit · 14/04/2010 19:30

How many kids were hospitalised 20/30 or 40 years ago with smoking related illnesses?

You know? back in the days when many mums didn't stop smoking, smoked all through pregnancies, where smoking was allowed literally everywhere? Where men and women smoked in the same room as the DS...

What are the statistics for the past?

Society IS getting better, people ARE cutting it down/back/out all together. Bashing the minority will just get them to entrench even more.

MrsVidic · 14/04/2010 19:35

YANBU- Somking is harmful even not in the presence of the child etc and its a selfish act where you are putting yourself at a known risk of serious illness

However, alcohol is also very harmful- its just more socially acceptable.

onagar · 14/04/2010 21:08

"Kids are taught that 'smoking kills'. Imagine thinking that your mum or dad was going to die."

Yes so what sick bastard goes around telling kids that smoking is going to kill their mum and dad?

Oh yes it's our government through health visitors and such who are parroting things they don't understand and smug non-smokers with nothing better to do.

MeMudmagnet · 14/04/2010 21:18

I remember being on a coach with a playgroup outing and hearing a mum having a conversation with her dd. It went something like this,

"Mummy does smoking kill you?"

"Well it can make you very ill, and sometimes people can die from those illnesses"

"But Granny & Grandad smoke"

"Yes"

"Does that mean they're going to die"

"Ermm...no"

"But they smoke?"

"Ermm...er..."

The poor child had obviously taken in the messages around her about smoking and was worried.
The poor Mum didn't really have an answer.

MeMudmagnet · 14/04/2010 21:20

Sometimes a bit of this sort of pressure can bring the message home.

But sometimes, people continue to stick their heads in the sand.

odette123 · 14/04/2010 21:22

To all the Mners who are (again) whittling, hand-wringing and neuroticising about smoking I'd just like to point out that stress is also a killer and I say that with love

onagar · 14/04/2010 21:38

"Sometimes a bit of this sort of pressure can bring the message home."

Yes so let's sneak around applying emotional pressure to small vulnerable children in order to get our way.

Oh and "smoking kills" is actually dishonest since it implies something that isn't true.

Shooting yourself in the head with a shotgun kills.

Having a piano dropped on your head from the top of a building kills.

Smoking on the other hand increases the statistical possibility of developing any of a number of conditions which may or may not kill. It's entirely possible to live to 110 while still smoking.

I'm not recommending smoking, but I hate the propaganda about it.

j0807bump · 14/04/2010 22:08

if smoking is so disgusting, dangerous and the most abhorant threat to our DCs then how come so many of you have the occasional fag when you have a drink? i thought social smoking was something you did when you were 14 and could only afford five fags for a quid at school?

it is perfectly possible to be a responsible smoker. not in the house/car/park/where any perfect mother can see you/shout/swear at you before downing a couple of bottles of claret from early evening of their perfectly unselfish lives.

if im not smoking in the indoor vicinaty to my or your children then why do you give a toss?

if i wasnt pregnant i'd be outside puffing right now but as is i'll enjoy my nicorette gum with selfish satisfaction and giggle at all those liars who say they only have one or two a day and their dcs don't know about it.

toccatanfudge · 14/04/2010 22:16

still at it are we?

porcamiseria · 14/04/2010 22:18

when I feel guilty, I simply remember the 70s and 80s.....My mum smoked when PG, I blame her...

LittleMissHissyFit, its an Italian swearword!

odette123 · 14/04/2010 22:18

jo807bump, you have nicorette gum whilst pregnant!

MeMudmagnet · 14/04/2010 22:42

"Yes so let's sneak around applying emotional pressure to small vulnerable children in order to get our way"

It's called education.

mercibien · 14/04/2010 22:53

this thread reminds of a teacher friend of mine trying to deter teenagers from the habit

she brought in a ciggy smelling jumper to put them off and one girl sighed

'hmm lovely, reminds me of mummy'

j0807bump · 14/04/2010 22:57

i do have gum whilst pregnant. they recommend the patches which put a continous dose of nicotine in you. might as well just have a fag.

the blunt truth of it is i wasnt ready to give up when accidently got up duff again, it is definately not as easy as just stopping completely. better the gum than the cigs.

still not good i know but at least i can try. was going to say unlike some of the women puffing away outside the antenatal dep. but then how do i know that they havent tried as well?

again, could say its not as bad, no chemicals, loss of oxygen to the baby etc but ultimatly i am either too weak or too selfish for needing the gum.

i think there are many on here who did not give up completly or had a substitute than would readily admit it.

hobbgoblin · 14/04/2010 23:06

onagar I do love you

ellenjames · 14/04/2010 23:21

havent read whole thread, but i agree my dad used to smoke all the time when we were with him just didnt think! I gave up the day i discovered i was pregnant with dc1 and over 5 years later still dont smoke, to be quite honest it disgusts me to see parents smoke around their dc's.

onagar · 14/04/2010 23:35

MeMudmagnet if you think upsetting children to get their parents to stop smoking is education then I'd guess you'd call what those catholic priests did to those poor boys "gymnastics"

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