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to think that if parents smoke they are very selfish......

115 replies

posieparker · 13/04/2010 18:31

considering between 500 to 1,000 children a year end up in hospital because they are exposed to their parents' smoking.

OP posts:
loopylou6 · 13/04/2010 20:11
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GlendaTheGrizzlyPiggy · 13/04/2010 20:17

There are responsible smokers out there you know. I smoke but I do not expose my son to smoke fumes at all.

I have a cigarette in the morning (outside the house) whilst my DS is still asleep. Then I shower and dress for the day. Once he is asleep for the night I probably have between 2-3 cigarettes (again smoked outside) before changing for bed.

I do feel bad for smoking and will probably try to give up soon. I gave up when pregnant so I know I can do it IYSWIM. I guess what I am getting at is please don't tar all smokers with the same brush. There are various shades of grey in between the black and white some people see. It's much like drinking. Glass of wine at night is fine but bottle of vodka a day is not.

AngryWasp · 13/04/2010 20:19

I could roll cigs at 18months. My gradad taught me to and I would do a week's worth. he said it was good for my fine motor skills and I was blardy good at it.

I don't think smokers are any more selfish than a lot of people, bearing in mind that it is an ADDICTION for most people and not always something of choice. It's not a nice habbit, but there are lots of things that put children at risk through selfishness and ignorance and I don't think smoking is one of the worst.

Bonsoir · 13/04/2010 20:22

"But something about smoking made me risque, cynical, acerbic and sharp in a way nothing else can."

And you regret that horrible-sounding person?!

taffetacat · 13/04/2010 20:26

Bonsoir - I would always gravitate towards someone with those attributes. To me they are interesting.

uglymugly · 13/04/2010 20:29

I started smoking in my late teens, some 40+ years ago. I smoked through both my pregnancies, and continued to smoke. I had 8+ lb babies who had no respiratory problems. Smoking was permitted in the day room in the maternity unit. My husband has never smoked, neither have my offspring.

I did manage a five-year break when my offspring were still quite young, but then went to university where I was surrounded by many 18-year-olds who smoked. After a term of passive smoking I caved in and was quickly back up to 20 a day. That was back in the 1980s and I've not managed to quit again.

My daughter got married last year. Should we get that "we're expecting" phone call, the cigarettes are going to have to go. There's no way she or my son-in-law would allow their young baby in this house if I continue to smoke. They both have an attitude about that, and I love them for that.

My offspring are now more than old enough to specify their ground rules. Back then I didn't know that I should have listened to their unspoken request to breathe uncontaminated air. But then, as I said, smoking was permitted in the day room, and if you were around just before the 6 a.m. roll call (as I often was - 10 day stay for the first birth) the day room was the favourite place for the midwives to hang out with coffee and fags before going off duty.

Are parents who smoke selfish? Yes, in a way they are, as was I. But it's an incredibly difficult addiction to deal with. Stopping could probably introduce an extra level of stress on top of what is normally experienced in pregnancy and after. Focussing on the "selfishness" is one way of looking at it, but there does need to be much more knowledge of why certain people are more prone to that kind of addiction, and a better way of enabling them to find ways of managing that, without condemning them as solely "selfish". It's a very, very tough addiction to get rid of.

onagar · 13/04/2010 20:42

They don't seem to realise that a lot of noxious smoke particles are stuck to their clothes and skin, ready to be transferred to their children when they give them a hug.>>

Can someone find a link to indicate that anyone has ever been seriously harmed by being hugged by a smoker.

A comparison to car fumes and particles would be interesting too I expect.

Posieparker. thanks for the link. I'm now completely convinced by that article that parents who have ketchup in the house are totally selfish because of the harm it can do.

after the traumatic experience of seeing her daughter undergo the extractions, Sharon vowed to ban the ketchup entirely and cut back on the sweets served to her three children.>>

glitterstar88 · 13/04/2010 20:48

YAB(a bit)U
I'm a mum of 2, not smoking at the moment, but i do have a few if im drinking on a night out. Smoked a couple of cigarettes when pregnant with both too. Have smoked in the car whilst DS1 was with me with the windows down, and i feel a bit shit about it now but its done and i cant change that!

Now i know someone whos pregnant with DC3 she has smoked through all three pregnancies with no intention of quitting. Said she was going to stop smoking around DC2. I was in a house with her the otherday, rules are that if my children are in that house that noone smokes downstairs (owners are happy with this situation). Smoke still drifts downstairs though and me and the children always go home reeking of smoke. The thing that pissed me off the other day is that she seemed a bit 'off' with me, went upstairs for a cigarette and took the baby with her. The baby came down coughing and spluttering. I thought that was a bit unreasonable, there were plently of people around to look after the baby whilst she went and had a cigarette.

I used to go to someones house before i had DC. There used to be 5-6 adults all smoking in a room at the same time on a hot sunny day, with windows shut and the baby running about in a baby walker, there was so much smoke in the room.

So i think its not unreasonable to smoke if you are a parent, but maybe its a bit selfish to keep children couped up in badly ventilated smokey rooms all day every day

brightyoungthing · 13/04/2010 20:53

I smoke outside the house, never inside and I wouldn't let my DD sleep round a friends house if I knew the parents smoked inside. I go through phases of going outside every hour for a roll up (like today) to going out every few hours for one . I think the increase of respiratory problems in children is due to the increased number of cars on the road. Every morning as we walk to school we have to fight our way through thick exhaust fumes and I have even considered buying surgeons face mask things like they do in China to protect us (or at least her little lungs) from breathing in the smoke. It really is that bad, especially as the cars are usually caught in a snarl-up. I feel as strongly about this as I do about not smoking around her.

happyland · 13/04/2010 20:58

Posie - wine mainly! Am me having the will power of a gnat. I would never hurt my unborn child, but not so fussed about myself for some reason. That and stress I suppose.
I give up alcohol too whilst pregnancy and bf and then when I eventually have a glass again (after 19 months) I smoked too. I wouldn't class myself a proper smoker, as in having a regular habit, but when I drink I smoke.

LynetteScavo · 13/04/2010 21:14

Are all you smokers watching Panorama now?

HoppingHeather · 13/04/2010 21:52

Another pointless thread bolstered by the unbearably smug health fascists.

Sassybeast · 13/04/2010 21:57

Hoppinheather - how many fags have your kids smoked then ?

PatriciaHolm · 13/04/2010 22:20

How does anyone of my generation (early 70s) ever start smoking? Is is all peer pressure, rebellion, etc? I mean, I grew up knowing smoking was a stupid thing to do - I use to throw my Dad's cigars in the bin! Surely everyone who is under 40 with any sense never started anyway?

tarantula · 13/04/2010 22:32

YADBVU. I am MUCH more worried about car fumes that other people pump into the air from their cars than I am about dp hugging dd after he had popped outside for a fag (esp as she tells him to bog off cos he stinks ).

If you are a driver then I really dont see how you can sit in judgement over people who smoke quite frankly.

toccatanfudge · 13/04/2010 22:34
BuzzingNoise · 13/04/2010 22:39

Tarantula, did you watch Panorama tonight?

baskingseals · 13/04/2010 22:48

stop picking on smokers!
it's so self-righteous
it's an addiction you know, it's not a choice.

StrawberriesAndCherries · 13/04/2010 22:54

how can it not be a choice , no one forces a smoker to become one, they choose that first/second/third.... cigarette

baskingseals · 13/04/2010 23:04

they're too scared to stop
it's fear, not pleasure that keeps people smoking

MillyMollyMoo · 13/04/2010 23:08

I have to say I thought when I was a smoker that doing it outside was enough and it seems it isn't, that was genuinely news to me tonight.
I am lucky in that I can take it or leave it, but think a lot of these stop smoking aids are bollox and just money making props, really cold turkey is the only thing that's ever worked for me.

StrawberriesAndCherries · 13/04/2010 23:09

I dont mean to offend but I find that POV is so selfish

"Fear" of what???? Why doesnt the children's fear of their parents getting ill/possibly dying come first?

When i see smokers get out, light up and inhale their cigs, I have never ever looked at them and thought "oh my goodness, the poor things look terrified, no wonder they smoke"

southeastastra · 13/04/2010 23:10

it depends what they're smoking

AngryWasp · 14/04/2010 10:56

They choose to smoke their first cigarettes at a time when there are very little consequences for them or their family. In fact sometimes there is a risk to them to NOT smoke.

Later on it is no longer a choice, and this is when it is likely to impact on them and their family. There is nothing selfish in the act now. Self-discipline to do the difficult things is hard for most people, but add to that the addiction factor and it really isn't such a straightforward thing.

Add to that that smokers are becoming more and more victimised, they seek their own for companionship and giving up would entail more than losing their cigs.

onagar · 14/04/2010 12:21

The article linked to was mostly about the dangers of obesity and dental problems which is why I quoted the ketchup danger. The smoking danger was an afterthought and not at the top of the list.

All those 'people going to hospital because' or "people dying of' include possible (statistically speaking) contributory factors. It's not a lie as the researchers know what they mean. The papers printing it though either don't know or don't care as long as it sounds scary.

So when you see that 100,000 die of obesity or 100,000 of smoking they are mostly the same 100,000. A large overlap anyway.

The figures mean that statistically speaking of 100,000 people who died anyway obesity or smoking contributed to their level of health. So even if they actually died of falling out of a window or pneumonia brought on by breaking a leg skiing they might have had a better chance of survival if they hadn't been overweight and/or been a smoker.

The media by sensationalising these things have hidden any real dangers underneath a torrent of stuff like 'hugging a child gives them dangerous toxins if you have ever smoked' 'objects that were once in a smokers house can infect your child with nicotine' etc