To think that certain people should be banned from public parks

[ElleBing]

We have a really lovely park near where we live. It's really big, with lots of grassed areas for picnics etc then an enclosed play area.

DH and I took DS there yesterday for a quick run around before dinner time. I noticed that a group of chavs had set up camp next to the enclosed park whilst their kids ran amok inside. The chav parents were sitting on the grassy bit drinking cider, eating junk food and swearing. Two of their kids started fighting one another and rather than try and intervene, the person who I assume was the father sat in the kids' pushchair screeching at the LOs to stop fighting. They carried on drinking their cider before deciding they were going home to "watch Nanny McPhee on pirate wiv a bag ov chipz" then when the motehr of one of the LOs wanted the child to leave the play area she started shouting "come on will ya pooface" Eugh?

All of the other parents were doing cats bum mouth, not just me. I wanted to tell them to shut up with their common mouths and bad language but too middle class, you see? I'dlove to be able to stand up to these people who make life unpleasant for everyone else...

Anyway, DH were talking about them and I said that people like them shouldn't be allowed in parks. They should have an admissions policy. AIBU?

So what about middle-class chavs? And there are middle-class chavs as we all know. It refers to a lifestyle rather than class, same as punks/mods/rockers/ravers. Stop getting such a Billy Bragg chip on your shoulders fgs.

I agree with you. People like that are really repulsive but it's public space.......

pp you are comparing 2 different types of behaviour

1. op mentions fighting,shouting and mêlée
2. yours has theatre,champers and no mêlée

quite different.so null point

I couldn't care less if they were scoffing caviar off diamond encrusted plates and drinking champagne out of the Queens own glassware. If they were swearing and smoking around children, they'd get the same sort of treatment.

No beer bellies

No football shirts

No gold chains on men.

By ElleBing Sun 11-Apr-10 18:26:49
"So what about middle-class chavs? And there are middle-class chavs as we all know. It refers to a lifestyle rather than class, same as punks/mods/rockers/ravers."

Exactly.

Plus, this "the middle-class/upper class are simply TERRIBLE swearers" argument is shite. Swearing amongst peers or in context is a different kettle of fish. Shouting "OI CAIN gerrover ere now you lickle dickhead" in a packed park on a saturday afternoon is just a bit rubbish, really.

Sorry to stoke the fire but the park was full of normal families, working and middle class yesterday. Guess what? It was only the chavs doing any swearing.

elle you muppet dont you know nothing.the middle classes get the nanny to shout the profanities

India, maximus come here NOW,time for kumon maths class

'swearing and smoking' - I thought they were drinking and swearing? You didn't mention the smoking in your op - just the junk food.

i'm sure i'll get some stick for this but chavs are usually always working class. i bet you all want to hit me now. well i am working class and i live on a council estate and because i live in a council estate i know that these places are were chavs are coming from. i dont think that this means that elle is classist i just think that she doesn't like this particular faction of working class people (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong elle) just like i don't really like some of the middle class mums at my los school. they're clicky and exclusive and make me feel like crap sometimes but hey i don't hate all middle class people, just the yachting set as me and my partner call them! sorry but i'm working class and don't take offence at elles dislike of chavs. most people on my estate hate them, their nuisances and we wish they'd all fuck off but thats life.

jessie

i think thats what meant by underclass isnt it?

the difference between people whoa re working class and still amange to take responsibility and respect themselves, and those who refuse to do so

never met a MC chav though I admit! Though S E Wales fashion seems to want to mirror that (WHY????)

only on mn would you get stick for opining about ned behaviour

Northernlurker, so I missed a detail out of my OP. I mentioned it about 3 posts later so what's your point? That the drinking and swearing are acceptable if they weren't smoking at the same time?

BTW, I only mentioned the junk food as a bit of a scene setter. I neglected to mention that they left all of their chip/kebab wrappers all over the grass, that's what I meant to say at the end of the post but was posting in a rush. I was supposed to be bertaing them for leaving food wrappers all over the park rather than berating for eating junk food so sorry for any confusion in that respect.

Scottishmummy only on MN would you get cslled a "lowlife" for using a swear word on MN but then get told that I must respect the free society in which we live when complaining about people swearing in front of my LO.

"Anyway, DH were talking about them and I said that people like them shouldn't be allowed in parks. They should have an admissions policy. AIBU?"

How would you police such an admissions policy Elle? You'd need chav police on the gates trying to decide if the shell suit was a chav lifestyle choice or whether the person had actually been doing some exercise.

SKIP TO THE END

they were behaving horribly, they should behave themselves.

as scottishmummy has just said,
only on mumsnet do you get told off for complaing about twats.

i hate people who shout and swear and behave like little shits, but that makes me judgy/snobby on mumsnet.

I see - so they were drinking, smoking, swearing, eating junk food and littering. Any animal sacrifice or car crime going on there too? You certainly seem to have taken an awful lot of notice of people you held in comtempt. Please tell me you weren't taking notes for your posts on mnet?

I find it hard not to take a lot of interest in "these type of people". I find them facinating, and therefore they should not be banned from public parks.

It's a bit like watching the Jeremy Kyle show while your kids get some fresh air.

Clarissimo, the underclass refers to those surviving on benefits. not all chavs belong to the underclasses, i know a lot of the chavs on my estate have jobs.

still, i don't think that elle was being classist. i think that she would of commented on the actions of the people that upset her whatever class they might of been. i'm working class as i've said before and you'd probably regard me as a bit of a snob cos i won't let my son play with some of the kids on the estate cos i know their parents smoke weed/swear in the house, i don't want my little boy coming home telling me to fuck off and eat shit like my neighbours don did after he'd been playing with them lol. i want better for my little boy sorry if that upsets some of you who believe that we should all mix along and tolerate each others differences. tolerating differences in culture or religion is fine but i wont tolerate differences like smoking weed in front of kids as acceptable practice.

Northernlurker I can't work out if you are for real or not. It takes a quick cast of the eye to note that a group of people are drinking and smoking. I can hear that they are swearing without even looking at them. Unless you are an spectacular idiot and your brain can only process one piece of information at a time, you don't have to stop and gawp to know what is going on.

i don't even see how someone being upset with people for behaving like this could be called judgmental? if you think of the things that they were doing... calling there kids dickheads...smoking round kids...drunk in the park...letting their kids fight while they carry on smoking and boozing... who on earth would look at that scene and think oh mustn'tbe judgmental they could be really lovely people. really lovely people dont call their kids dickheads sorry guys but they don't if that makes me judgmental then yes i am queen judgemental of judgementalshire lol.

lets face it cursory glance and having sensory modalities is enough to ascertain neds.i dont imagine elle needed to take notes or conduct in-depth observational study.imagine the fighting,cussing and slurping electric soup did it

os so calling someone a chav is ok then? not judging!!!!!

ElleBing

I can't work out whether you are real tbh

you have been posting in a fairly prolific manner for the last few weeks, and in lots of your posts you generalise about mners
lentil weaving
boden wearing
etc

if you have only been here a few weeks how can you profess to 'know' so much about mn?
a lot of what you 'know' seems to be generic conventions lifted from the mn articles in the tabloid press recently

I assume you are not a name changer

sorry to be so frank
but it's like you read a 'how to mumsnet' handbook before you arrived
it's a bit fake

What is wrong with a bunch of adults drinking, swearing and smoking? It's not illegal. Bending each other over the swings for some bumsex, shooting up heroin and flicking one off over the roudabout - now that would be bad.

I'll say it again, the word chav is pejorative. Would you word your OP with the terms 'n-gg-er' or 'p-ki'?

Fecking Mumsnet preciousness at it's best this thread is.....