To think that certain people should be banned from public parks

[ElleBing]

We have a really lovely park near where we live. It's really big, with lots of grassed areas for picnics etc then an enclosed play area.

DH and I took DS there yesterday for a quick run around before dinner time. I noticed that a group of chavs had set up camp next to the enclosed park whilst their kids ran amok inside. The chav parents were sitting on the grassy bit drinking cider, eating junk food and swearing. Two of their kids started fighting one another and rather than try and intervene, the person who I assume was the father sat in the kids' pushchair screeching at the LOs to stop fighting. They carried on drinking their cider before deciding they were going home to "watch Nanny McPhee on pirate wiv a bag ov chipz" then when the motehr of one of the LOs wanted the child to leave the play area she started shouting "come on will ya pooface" Eugh?

All of the other parents were doing cats bum mouth, not just me. I wanted to tell them to shut up with their common mouths and bad language but too middle class, you see? I'dlove to be able to stand up to these people who make life unpleasant for everyone else...

Anyway, DH were talking about them and I said that people like them shouldn't be allowed in parks. They should have an admissions policy. AIBU?

They should also be banned

Hmmmm, without wanting to go into too much here I wouldn't call my life sheltered.

And yes, I did the travelling thing and got on fine thanks. This is how I learned respect for others, sweetie. I think that the people who sit swearing and smoking in parks ought to go and see some of the world. That way they might learn that things do happen beyond the 4 square feet that they happen to be occupying at that precise moment.

These threads always interest me. Everyone is so quick to call the OP 'judgey'. Why can't we judge? It's human nature.

I would prefer not to have to listen to a load of swearing and abusive language to kids or sit in a park where adults swig cider. Why is that wrong?

Just because generally we should tolerate difference, (in terms of race, gender, disability or whatever) doesn't mean we have to tolerate EVERY difference.

The people referred to by the OP sounded like unpleasant people. Why should we tolerate that?

I didn't read the "piss in the park" but I know that a lot of people were clucking about the possibility that she had mental health issues. It's a shame for her if she did However, I know that some people just do it because they need to go to the loo and they're a bit blotto.

I saw a grown man taking a crap in the middle of a main road one day just because he felt like it. He too needs to be exterminated from the face of planet earth.

Fifitot, I was wrong. These people were just expressing themselves and I should never have thought any less of them for it. I should have smiled inanely and not done cats' bum mouth and applauded the cultural diversity that makes up our society and indeed, our society is richer for it.

Honestly, why would anyone travel to India or Africa when we have such mind-broadening individuals right here on our doorsteps? Why strive to make the world a nicer place when listening to a bare-chested man clutching a bottle of cider telling his 4 year old son that he is a dickhead is nice enough as it is?

I've been foolish. I'm off to call my DS a little dickhead and maybe puff on a Lammy B whilst he's 2 foot away. This is the way to enlightenment.

Dear ElleBing

Perhaps these people have more important things to worry about, like, erm...let me think now, oh yeah, putting food on the table rather than travelling abroad. Not everyones Mummy and Daddy can afford to send their DC's on gap years you know.

I repeat what I said previously. Travel some.

Regards

baluchi

Dear Baluchi,

You must be having a laugh.

Regards,

Elle.

Agree with fifitot tbh, yes we do have to tolerance and understanding of people but not everything like antisocial behaviour especially where kids are playing (intimidation, drinking to excess, swearing at people, violence, deficating in public), the park is for everyone not those who shout the loudest.

What is a mungbeaner?

Dear ElleBing

Its baluchi NOT Baluchi. You being middle class, should know that.

Regards

baluchi NOT Baluchi

It's just another term for a lentil-weaver, Bubbles.

Well, me being middle class knows that if it's a name, it should really begin with a capital letter. But let's not nitpick, dearie. It's very childish and it makes you look a bit desperate for a scrap, which I am sure isn't the case at all.

Can I add to my previous statement that the op is overly pleased with her own parenting one to the effect that she is also strangely satisfied with being 'middle class'. I wonder if she'd favour us with a definition - so far I think it means not swearing in parks or drinking cider.

I wouldn't say that I am "strangely satisfied" in being middle-class. I'm not even a proper middle-class, if we're honest

What I was pointing out, maybe rather ineffectually, is that I do have a lot of middle class traits. I'm a real whimp where arguing is concerned, especially arguing with people that I deem to be intimidating and loud. I was just trying to point out that whilst I would love to stand up to these people, the MC traits in me just won't allow it. That's why I did after I made that particular remark.

Oh and if being "strangely satisfied" with being middle class ultimately means that I am "strangely satisfied" with not being a rough yobbo then I'm not going to argue against that. Am I supposed to be aspiring to be a bit rougher, a bit more uncouth?

i've just read the whole thread which took me ages and I'm new here so excuse me if i seem a bit green but why is the person who made the first post getting so much stick?

i think only the most saintly of people would not get annoyed by this type of behaviour really it would def annoy me if i'd taken my son to the park. i get annoyed when people swear and act like idiots in pubs where there are no children so i would def get annoyed by it in a park. also a lot of you are saying that elle is being judgemental (judgemental? ) but then your judgeing her too. bit double standardy really. we're always hearing about people getting knifed for standing up to yobs so totally understood waht she meant when she said she would be afraid to stand up against them these people work in packs unfortunately i would feel differently about asking some middle class people to stop swearing because i just dont think i'd get the trouble i would get if i asked some chavvy people to stop. sorry if i've managed to turn you all against me on my first day on mumsnet lol.

anyone suggested the neds had mental health issues?
or the perennial walk a mile in my birkenstocks to know suffering sister
or maybe the maw had pnd

love the who are we to judge brigade

lol, i judge they sound like potty mouth neds. good for gawping at, before shielding maximus and candidia eyes and averting gaze from scheme folk

I'm getting so sick of the chav bashing on here. Tattoos, loud mouths, smoking, benefit bashing is all considered acceptable. You are fucking unreasonable and a prejudiced arsehole. That kind of shit might be sanctioned on here but not by me I'm sick of it. I look just like the people you're judging, but I have a degree and will be doing a doctorate, and I'd still rather mix with "chavs" than people who think they're better than others. You're not

Discipline? Some of the middle class children I know are the most spoilt, precious, gimme more types I've ever come across, having full blown tantrums at 8 years old. Why? Because they believe they're a cut above the rest at such a young age. The way some of them speak is VILE

ellebing

you equate being wc with being a rough yobbo

I think in fact you mean undercass

working / wanting to work class and underclass louts as far apart as - well- chalk and manchego

methinky your a bitty touchy and personalising this too much junglist.dont think you need to assume is directed covertly at you.or your degree or your Phd

fighting,effing and blinding,knocking back the electric soup is most definitely worth a comment

Junglist, no-one has bashed tattoos/benefits/smoking/loud mouths. I have bashed people who swear in front of their LOs, people who smoke around LOs, people who get pissed up in a park during the daytime.

Chav isn't a generic term for anyone on benefits and has tattoos. Chav is a generic term for a young person who behaves aggressively and anti-socially. So you're sick of chav bashing? Awww, poor chavs. All they need is a cuddle and some understanding.

For your records I have two tattoos, I smoke and I claim working tax credits. I just don't behave like a delinquent and make other peoples' days out unpleasant. That's the difference.

Clarissimo, where have I mentioned working classes? Like I've said already, being working class doesn't equate to being a chav. Chav is a lifestyle, not a class IMO.

It's personal because I am/was lower working class at one point. People think Mumsnet is all middle class but it's not. I'm here now and if you lot aren't careful I'll get all my chavvy mates on here and make Boden wearers the minority
I know we are just words on a screen though

I bet loads of us have been at least tipsy in a park. Wearing either Boden or Lacoste

nah,you personalise too much.i grew up in a scheme doesnt mean i need to carry dat big cross round all the time.just because of where i grew up doesn't mean i need to stick up for every scheme wean any time they fight,drink electric soup,and act up

and yes it is just words on a screen not a direct comment about anyone else circumstances