to think that if B&B's can state 'no kids' then why not 'no gay people'...?

[guiltyandfedup]

I think BOTH are wrong by the way.....BUT as far as I know children are citizens and should be entitled to 'human rights' the same as the rest of society. But often DP and I have found that they will not 'accept' children- what grounds have they to discriminate against them?

The reasons given are 'the comfort of other guests etc etc'. Well in that case why shouldn't B and B owners be able to argue that having gay people in the establishment could cause 'discomfort' to other guests or the oners themselves if it is a total taboo within their cultural or religious beliefs.

Juast wanted to guage others opinions as its been in the news a lot today but no-one seems to have noticed the paralel!

I know - it does seem very odd to our sensibilities! But I don't think it can be read any other way.

Damnedchilblains I've managed to drum it into DM after many years that coloured just ain't acceptable, along with half-caste instead of mixed race and Indian as a generic term for anyone coming from the asian sub-continent.

I just went on to the website and asked the sales assistant it went like this:

Chat InformationYou are now chatting with Sharon.

you: Hi, can two men book as a couple only on an advert in england it said that a couple meant one man and one woman.

Sharon: Welcome to Sandals & Beaches, the authentic Caribbean resorts where luxury and quality are included! How may I assist you today?

Sharon: Yes you can

you: Oh great that's fine thank you.

Sharon: We accept same sex couples

you: Thanks for clarifying.

I stick by my above statement then

5DollarShake "If you're so uncomfortable with certain types of people being in your house, then clearly running a B&B is not for you".

I have made it perfectly clear throughout this thread, that the point I am trying to make is not who should or should not be allowed into a B&B - but the fact that the B&B owner (ie the person also living under that roof) should be at liberty to choose who stays there.

[I apologise to anyone who I have inadvertantly upset - by coloured people, I actually meant - white, black, brown, yellow, pink, blue, red - any bloody colour - not 'coloured' in the old fashioned sense.]

Shockers - LOL I can imagine all your disappointed little faces

I actually agree with the OP.

re: the point about kids breaking stuff - well adults can break stuff and the parents would have to pay for it to be fixed.

re: the noise well just as likely (more likely IME) to be woken up by drunk selfish adults staggering back to their rooms etc.

However do see point about highchairs/breakables/ponds/steep stairs/kids menu/behaviour - but surely this doesn't apply to children over the age of around 7/8. I see very little justification to have a ban on older children.

Children are noisy. They sulk and have strops. They want to watch horrible programmes on the telly. They run in corridors.

And there is also no law banning any business from discriminating against them

I wouldn't want to take my children any place where i had to keep telling them to be quiet anyway. It's a non starter. They don't want my kids there, I don't want my kids there, no need to make a big issue about it. Especially when there are so many places that cater for children. It isn't like you'll go without anywhere to rest your head

"I have made it perfectly clear throughout this thread, that the point I am trying to make is not who should or should not be allowed into a B&B - but the fact that the B&B owner (ie the person also living under that roof) should be at liberty to choose who stays there."

And the point that everyone else is trying to make is that they CANNOT choose who stays there if it contravenes the lawsof this country just because it conflicts with their outdated principles.

"And the point that everyone else is trying to make is that they CANNOT choose who stays there if it contravenes the lawsof this country just because it conflicts with their outdated principles."

Exactly!! This has been reiterated time and time again, but just does not appear to be filtering through...

ChippingIn - why should B&B owners be above the laws that apply to every other business in the land? As has been said, no-one is forcing them to run such a business, and if they have such prejudices, well, just don't run a B&B from your home!

Bangs head on desk in futile exasperation

Oooh, has anyone said, 'kids are a lifestyle choice' yet?

I have, Ilovemydog, and I mean it

Heh heh, 5dollarshake. It's like trying to teach a monkey how to drive a car...

ElleBing - I know they CANNOT - however, I am entitled to my opinion, which is that they SHOULD be able to - I have used the phrase 'In my opinion they should be able to choose' I have not said that they CAN.

Well your opinion is bizarre...
and wrong

So you would like to see a return to the days of 'No Dogs, No Blacks. No Irish'?

@ Elle

5DollarShake - there really is no need for futile exasperations simply because I disagree with you, have a nice cup of tea pet and you'll soon calm down.

ElleBing - Are people only entitled to an opinion if it agrees with yours?

ENM - it's a good job we're all entitled to them though isn't it

Sterry Sorry, didn't mean to be offensive . The lifestyle choice frequently is cited whenever homosexuality is being discussed. Report my post if you want.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, chippingIn.

Your wrong, wrong opinion.

Ilovemydog - no offense taken - no worries! I know some terms are a bit over-used..

Chipping - you haven't yet presented one good reason yet as to why you hold this opinion. And the fact that it is the B&B owner's own home is not a good reason, since no-one is forcing them to run a B&B.

In your first post to this thread - you said you thought B&B owners should be allowed to be as bigoted as they like - you actually asked why shouldn't they be allowed to be, and of course everyone responded.

I don't get it - you say you have no problem with gays, black people, etc, etc - and yet you maintain this stance.

Gimme one good reason as to why we should allow one type of business above all others to freely discriminate.

5Dollar - I did NOT say B&B owners should be allowed to be as bigoted as they like, what I said was:

By ChippingIn Wed 07-Apr-10 00:42:33
I think if you run a Guest House/B&B and are having people stay in your own home then you should be able to choose who stays - end of. Your house, your choice - why not?

and I have said why I believe this should be the case. You simply disagree. 'Because it is their home' is a perfectly good reason. It has nothing to do with them being forced to run a B&B - why should them choosing to run a B&B, force them to have people stay in their home that they* are not comfortable with??

AND as I have pointed out in almost every post this has nothing to do with any particular race, religion, sex, colour or otherwise. It has EVERYTHING to do with choosing who is invited to share your home.

I don't just SAY I have no problem with gays, black people etc I DON'T - I have an issue with a law that dictates that if you choose to run a B&B/Guest House then you must take anyone who wants to stay there - irrespective of your own beliefs/preferences (no matter how mad those beliefs/preferences are)... as I said earlier if you only want to admit guests who are blonde, one armed, dentists - then you should be able to.

Now, could you PLEASE stop making references to me being anti black people, gays or otherwise as this is NOT the case.

Thankgod we have laws now to stop places like b&bs not letting gay people stay. To the op - what about extendign your ideas to shops and public transport? Maybe bus companies and shops could have separate entrances for black people?
Oh wait, we've done that one before.....

ChippingIn, you're being a bit daft if you can't see why you're coming over a bit "Disgusted, of Tunbridge Wells"...

ChippingIn - I think it's time for you to have a nice cup of tea, pet, and calm down. Seriously - you'll do yourself an injury with all that Capitalising and bolding.

If you put your view onto a public forum, you'll get people agreeing and disagreeing with them - them's the breaks. I realise it is your own opinion, but it is, quite honestly, prejudiced and out of date.

You're allowed to express your opinion; I'm allowed to express mine right back. And my opinion is that I would have a huge problem with any back-tracking of the law to freely allow certain businesses to discriminate. Why should the right to discriminate be more important than the right to live free from discrimination?

Anti-discrimination laws exist for a reason. And the reason applies whether you run your business from your home or not.

You still haven't answered my question - do you want a return to the days of 'No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish'?