to think that if B&B's can state 'no kids' then why not 'no gay people'...?

[guiltyandfedup]

I think BOTH are wrong by the way.....BUT as far as I know children are citizens and should be entitled to 'human rights' the same as the rest of society. But often DP and I have found that they will not 'accept' children- what grounds have they to discriminate against them?

The reasons given are 'the comfort of other guests etc etc'. Well in that case why shouldn't B and B owners be able to argue that having gay people in the establishment could cause 'discomfort' to other guests or the oners themselves if it is a total taboo within their cultural or religious beliefs.

Juast wanted to guage others opinions as its been in the news a lot today but no-one seems to have noticed the paralel!

Guiltyandfedup, would you agree to leave in the middle of the night if your little one was cranky/teething/crying?

I just don't think you can compare.

If I was booking a B&B for a relaxing getaway (maybe even including naughty nookie ) with DH, I would actually choose a B&B that advertised as 'no children'. I would assume it was therefore going to be full of other self absorbed couples minding their own business in quiet.

OTOH, one that advertised as 'no gays' would immediately put me off as I would assume the owners were at least strange, probably bigoted and most probably weird which would make me feel on edge and uncomfortable.

I'm a mother and of course love my children dearly but I can fully appreciate why other people would want to choose holiday accomodation which ensured they did not need to encounter my little darlings.

Excluding grown adults on the grounds of their sexuality can only ever be either ignorance or bigotry and the law should do all it can to counter both those inflictions.

coldtits- I agree, on a romantic break with dh I will look for no kids places. If kids are with me I seek out child friendly. Plenty of both. To be blunt, I love my children but not other people's.

I think that's it Coldtits - it gives people choice. There are plenty of places geared up for families and kids and plenty of places that aren't. And long may that continue!

I would rather have a bunch of gay people in a B&B with me then a bunch of screaming kids.

I do feel it is unfair however to make someone compromise their religious beliefs I mean there would be uproar if someone went to a Muslim run B&B and demanded they cook them pork and eat it too.

When DH were footloose and child-free, we used to stay at a B&B in Brighton a lot. It was totally geared towards adults, even though the owners never stipulated "no children", I just wouldn't dream of taking LO there.

Even as a mum, I can't abide other mums and dads who think that childrens human rights are being infringed upon if they are denied entry to some place. Rowdy kiddywinks, Gawd love 'em, have the potential to ruin things what with them being kids and having minimal social decorum and volume control It'll be Travelodge for us in Brighton this year, lol!

That's not really the same RunawayWife. It's not like the gay people are going to go to the B&B and force the owner to perform some kind of sex act.

Last I heard, religous taboos don't cover the actions of other people. (Feel free to correct me if I am wrong here!)

Runaway, as was mentioned on another thread, if they don't want to "compromise their religious beliefs" (behave like prejudiced arseholes) then they don't need to run a B&B. Simple.

No comparison with the "no kids" rule - there are whole travel companies who exist solely to cater for couples who want to get away from other people's children when on holiday. Fair dos.

I hear what a lot of you are saying about wanting to go to lovely 'kiddy free' places for quiet/romantic time etc but does that really make it 'ok' for people with kids (remembering that children have PARENTS who need to be fed watered and bed down for the night the same as gay, disabled etc etc etc basically ALL types of people!) to be tunrned away on the grounds that there is a possibility the kids MAY cause upset to others.

We as a society have rightly asserted the rights of people to recieve equal treatment regardness of x y or z but we are still highly intolerant of children even though they are a normal, necessary part of any society.

And like I said before I have never myself been upset or annoyed by kids when staying away, I have on the otjer hand been bloody annoyed by adults having 'me time' being bloody inconsiderate with 'adult' behaviours!!

Oh gosh another stupid unreasonable comparison. Saying no gays is discrimination and plain wrong. But many an establishment specify no children and why shouldn't they. When I've managed to palm get loving family members to watch my dc's, the last thing, the very last thing I want is for baby/toddler screaming blue murder in the next room; and thus I should be able to choose a place that suits. sorry YABU

Guilty, I disagree, I think we are extremely inclusive and geared toward kids. In fact, I sometimes thing the 'Cult of Childhood' goes too far. Don't get me wrong, I like kids, think they are funny, interesting and 'vital' (in an energetic sense) but I don't think their needs must always come first, nor that they are owed the same status as a grown up.

(goes away to get tin hat / flame proof suit)

grown ups need places where they can have time away from kids.
not every one wants to be arround kids when they are have a break, surely they have rights to.
also I might be wrong, but i think it probally is a lot of hassle for a small bb to be child friendly, you have all the stuff like cots/stair gates, those plug socket covers and all that stuff.
so perhaps 2 growmn ups running a bb just would rather not have the hassle

Children may be a normal part of society, but not everywhere!

And the difference you are failing to appreciate is that as parents you can leave your children elsewhere and be welcome at a no kids hotel.A gay couple can not do the same.

It doesn't matter how many different ways you phrase it, you are being deeply unreasonable.

Because gay people are not annoying. If DH and I manage to sneak off kid free, the only establishments I am interested in are No Under 18s.

B and Bs can state "no kids" but not "no gay people" because the two are completely different issues and not in any way comparable.

Well as it stands, I can be legally and morally turned away from a b and b simply for having a dependent child with me.

I cannot be turned away on the grounds on the basis of my sexuality, even if the people who own the establishment hold deep moral or religious convictions which lead them to believe that they (the owners) would be doing wrong by allowing the people involved to share a room.

Both stances are bonkers in my opinion.

Because children are noisy, messy and break things, none of which you would expect an NT adult to do. Honestly, you really, really don't need to ask the question do you?

They may both be bonkers in your opinion, but they are not in anyway connected.

Yeah, you are being unreasonable - as others have said.

Have to say, I find hotels that prohibit children completely a little off-putting though. I can understand not wanting children in a fomal dining room during the evening meal, or asking children not to run around in the drawing room or lobby, or to keep off the grass etc etc., but banning kids from staying altogether seems rather over the top to me.

I think it should be a balance between recognising that there are some places that children shouldn't be (in the bar at 10pm/in a candeleit restaruant) and establishments just beeing too lazy to accommodate young guest (how hard is buying a travel cot and serving high tea) FGS?

Being a camper/caravanner I feel children are definitely at the bottom of the pecking order. You only have to look at the large number of 'adults only, pets welcome' campsites bourgeoning all over the country.

at all this gay people don't draw on walls and eiderdowns.
They don't smear their faces with food at the table either. They don't stick fingers in their nappy and eat it. They don't tantrum till they turn blue (well maybe if one gets caught cheating or something)

Saying no kids is more comparable to saying no dogs than it is to saying not to gay guests.

If you want to discriminate and pick and choose who stays in your house, I would kindly suggest that these people don't operate them as businesses. A business can't discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.

YABU

FFS having children is a choice being gay isn't.

SickOfThisBloodyNonSequitirTiggaxx

Not read the whole thread (sorry) but while I disagree with both, I can conceed that sometimes B&Bs wont have the correct facilities for kids: highchairs, cots etc. I know thats just one age group, but thats the only way I can think to justify it.