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to be cross with my elderly fil about the meaning of easter

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nickschick · 04/04/2010 21:18

Bit tongue in cheek really.

FIL was today bemoaning the fact that he couldnt go to tesco for his cigar supply as they were shut for Easter.

Its only Easter he said they could have had usual Sunday hours ,its not like Christmas or anything.....

ONLY EASTER?????? i SHOUTED - JESUS DIED ON A CROSS FOR US!!!! EASTER IS MORE SPECIAL THAN CHRISTMAS - YES EASTER IS IMPORTANT.

and that sais dh is why you should never discuss religion with a catholic especially not one who sat in a cold church for an hour and a half last night at the easter vigil.

OP posts:
fiveisanawfullybignumber · 07/04/2010 15:38

Why is it that the atheists are so pig headed & aggressive in their rejection of anything they do not believe in? It's a very narrow minded viewpoint and a serious flaw in their characters. Maybe a bit of spiritualism might help them think of others more?
I don't go around saying, Oh, your an atheist so therefore I reject your non-beliefs and think you're damned etc.
As i said earlier, i think my faith helps me to be more tolerant of others but jeez guys, you need to understand that other people have differnt views to you, but they are just as important to us as your views are to you.
The church & the state ARE tied in this country, and as a democracy, we should all have the right to worship whichever God we choose, and yes, I also beleive there should be employee protection rules to give us this right. Whatever our religion, be it Christianity, Islam, Buddism or any other recognised belief.

Kaloki · 07/04/2010 16:11

five People do say those things to atheists. Being narrowminded isn't restricted to any religion/non-religion

Rhian82 · 07/04/2010 16:40

"This country needs to have rules that allow a member of ANY Religious group to not work on their Sabbath or Holy Day."

Seriously?! Can I invent a religion then and say Friday afternoons are sacred to me? Please? Tell me how you define a 'religion'? Does it have to have more than x number of followers? Been around for more than x number of years?

I love the UK and love living here, but I also detest the National Anthem. Partly cos I'm Welsh so the 'national' anthem isn't mine anyway, and partly because it celebrates an insanely over-privileged person and family. I'm not too bothered about the religious aspect, but my atheist husband very much is, and he's got just as much right to be 'British' as any nationalist Christian.

GoldenSnitch · 07/04/2010 16:48

Rhian - check this out.

Fast forward to 1.15 in...

fiveisanawfullybignumber · 07/04/2010 16:53

Rhian82, I mean any recognised relious group that has a specified Holy day or Sabbath, such as Christianity, Islam, Buddism, Judaism and others. They should be allowed to have that day as one of their specified days off, not an extra day off, just the right to have your spiritual beliefs recognised and respected. that would solve the easter sunday issue for you all.
I'm not talking about you wanting an extra Friday afternoon off though.
If you don't follow any religion then you won't necessarily object to working those days, but when you do and your employer doesn't respect your religion and makes you choose between your faith and your livelyhood, IMHO, that's wrong.
Have to agree about the National Anthem, It's not great, personaly would like to see Jerusalem as our national anthem (was my old school song so fond memories), but agree it wouldn't suit the non-believers, so not the right choice overall.

GoldenSnitch · 07/04/2010 16:56

One for you five

Rhian82 · 07/04/2010 17:03

Ooh yes I know those GoldenSnitch, big Eddie fan!

Five - I'm joking about the Friday afternoon, I'm just talking about the practicalities of actually making it a 'right'. Where could you draw the line?

GoldenSnitch · 07/04/2010 17:12

Me too.

mrscrocoduck · 07/04/2010 19:43

Trust me Five, being a Humanist means that all I do is think of others and the one life that they have - making sure I can strive for it to equitable, rational and respected.

But here we go again with needing to respect your religion.

Please explain to me why I should respect your beliefs.

I am perfectly capable of respecting you without needing to give credence to whatever fancies fill up your life.

EggyAllenPoe · 07/04/2010 20:13

This country needs to have rules that allow a member of ANY Religious group to not work on their Sabbath or Holy Day.

This law already exists

you can have any days off necessary o your faith (its a right) though of course, there is no law saying you have to be paid for them, nor that you can't be made to take them as holiday out of your allowance.

EggyAllenPoe · 07/04/2010 20:14

Why is it that the atheists are so pig headed & aggressive in their rejection of anything they do not believe in

um...this thread started because a Christian objected to her FILS view of Easter.

quite aggressively.

shockers · 07/04/2010 20:26

The OP said it was tongue in cheek.

fiveisanawfullybignumber · 08/04/2010 09:15

EggyAllenPoe, in reality it doesn't exist. If so why did my DH have to work Good Friday & Easer Monday? If it wasn't for the shops being shut on Easter Sunday, he'd have been pressurised into working that day also.

Also I'm not asking the atheists to believe in what I do, just not be so agressive in their condemnation. I don't get agressive about your non beliefs, each to their own as far as I'm concerned.

EggyAllenPoe · 08/04/2010 14:08

i worked in retail. if you have a signed holidfay form with your dates on it, there is no power on this earth that can be brought to make you work. getting those dates is the hard part -though having a religious rason would carry weight. there is no disciplinary procedure that can be brought against a person for not showing if they have a valid religious reason. HR departments are quite definite about this.

fiveisanawfullybignumber · 08/04/2010 14:35

You're having a laugh if you really think this is workable in todays economy. He doesn't have enough staff to cover at the moment, and as management is expected to work whatever is necessary to facilitate the opening of his store.
Dh could put his foot down and do all those things, he might have even got the day off, but how much would this affect his working relationship with senior management and his future prospects.
ONLY because the shop was shut on Easter sunday did he get his day off. So Yes, proper ruling is needed that is properly enforcable.

runnybottom · 08/04/2010 14:52

"Why is it that the atheists are so pig headed & aggressive in their rejection of anything they do not believe in? It's a very narrow minded viewpoint and a serious flaw in their characters. Maybe a bit of spiritualism might help them think of others more?"

yeah, thats not agressive at all? If we don't believe then we don't, its not agressive or "pig-headed" its an absolute. Neither is it narrow-minded, if anything a religious viewpoint is far more narrow minded as you are rigid in your belief system.

And as if religion has the monopoly on spiritualism, as if we need that either!

ooojimaflip · 08/04/2010 14:56

Anything that inconveniences me should be banned.

ooojimaflip · 08/04/2010 14:57

More to the point someone should TELL me these things are going to happen - spent HOURS trying to find somewhere open on saturday evening in in order to make sure we could eat the next day.

mrscrocoduck · 08/04/2010 17:04

so the religious are, by opposition to us non-believers, 'open-minded'?

You still haven't told why I should intrinsically respect your beliefs.

runnybottom · 08/04/2010 17:12

lol @ religious people being open minded!

mrscrocoduck · 08/04/2010 17:19

rofl with runnybottom

mrscrocoduck · 08/04/2010 17:19

or is laughter too aggressive?

runnybottom · 08/04/2010 17:24

Not as agressive as the Crusades. Or the spanish inquisition!

BTW, mrscrocoduck, tis I...

mrscrocoduck · 08/04/2010 17:26

Can't think of anyone else I'd rather roll on the secular floor with! massive

runnybottom · 08/04/2010 17:29

must get back to work...coffee/mn break over...kick up the arse please?