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AIBU?

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to think teachers are constantly under fire?

250 replies

strawberrykate · 01/04/2010 21:37

The number of negative assumptions about teachers motives, nit-picking over fine details of what they do and the general attitude towards seems to be really poor. They are held up to unusally high-standards and expected to do the impossible it seems.

Imagine the scenario, 30 children, one adult. Each child generates a small mountain of paperwork in the form of marking, reports, assessment and planning needs plus more. Each child has different needs, abilities, fears etc. You are under pressure to teach more hours than you have in the day (really, look up the required number of hours per subject per week, it adds up to more hours than there are in a school week). Average workload outside traching hours (if you do it all decently, but quickly)

  • 2 hours per night marking books
  • 1 hour a day collecting resources and preparing a class
  • 2 hours each for literacy, planning, numeracy, foundation etc. per week
  • half hour per day writing up lesson evaluations
  • half hour per day with parents/ resolving issues from the day, sending collecting letters and homework feedack etc.
  • one afterschool club plus tidying up and preperation/ waiting for kids to be collected 2 hours

That's a basic 58 hour week inc. the 6 hours teaching day.

Then throw in parents evenings/ report writing/ additional long term planning/ after school perfromances/ fetes/ events/ compeitions/ sports matchs/ meetings with outside services/ dealing with larger issues with families and children/ arranging special events or theme weeks/ liasing with outside professionals who come into school/ holiday clubs/ one to one tuition or extra free tutition and the million and one extras like carol concerts or parish events. Which can push the job into occupying every waking moment some weeks.

Then throw the needs of your own family.

Everyone is still shocked when your reports written at midnight have a few typos or you dont pick up or know about every child as well as their parents from memory. You get impromptu meetings where parents are outraged you don't know every level of the top of your head. Every slip of the tongue or small error is analysied to death. Every other year you may even be lucky enough to get a parents peition against you, normally over a misunderstanding (e.g. for banning books in the class was my favourite-I never did find out why they thought I'd done that). Parents gunning for a fight over a missing lunchbox/ coat/ glove, then no apology when it turns up at home or on a sibling.

AIBU to think a bit more courtesy toward teachers and an appreciation of them being human wouldn't go amiss? I've had a range of jobs, retail, law etc, and I've never been in ajob where so quick are people to attack. Even the national media has teachers and schools as a favourite gripe, rarely a week goes by where I don't see a report which boils down to saying teachers are either a bit thick/ lazy/ uncaring/ money-grabbing.

I really love working with kids and seeing the difference I can make, and I think I have done well by hundreds of children who have passed though my care. The constant, and increasing, habit of expecting teacher to be no less than saints is really pissing me off! It's huge factor as to why decent teachers leave the profession, often leaving ones who simply don't care/ can't find other work.

OP posts:
tethersend · 03/04/2010 17:49

I think we're all in danger of getting away from the real issue here...

...Namely, who would win in a fight between IT teams and teachers?

Miggsie · 03/04/2010 17:50

Well, I have loads of IT skills and I tell you now, that no WAY could I be a primary school teacher. I once said to DD's teacher "how do you cope having 30 like DD bobbing up and down in front of you all day?"

I am in awe of my DD's school teachers, because they actually like being surrounded by loads of 5/6/7 year olds!

And yes, I know someone who can speak Klingon, AND named all the servers he was in charge of after Star Trek characters, and all the console passwords were planets visited in the original Star Trek series.

And really, for a primary school teacher, being good with computers would not be the key skill I would look for.

tethersend · 03/04/2010 17:51

Would it make a difference if the fight was armed?

muminthemiddle · 03/04/2010 18:00

I think you are living in a dream world. Where exactly are the army of people waiting to crucify all teachers?
Most people think they do a good job.
However, I have never come across any other profession which wingers as much as teachers.
They seem to think that no-one on earth deserves as much as they do or that nobody worksw as hard as they do.
Get over yourself. There are far worse jobs.

EvilTwins · 03/04/2010 18:05

MITM - has anyone said that their job as a teacher is dreadful? No. Just that we get a lot of negativity in the press and from parents.

DinahRod · 03/04/2010 18:09

Can I have a list of worse jobs, please?

BitOfFun · 03/04/2010 18:11

I heard a news report today which said that teachers are considering industrial action over being humiliated and harangued by pupils, who apparently are now to be seen as "customers" who get to dictate how their "service" should be delivered.

Grrrr

OrmRenewed · 03/04/2010 18:12

"In my experience more honesty and less treating of parents like they are stupid "

Well sadly some of them are stupid.

No I'm not a teacher. Funnily enough I'm in IT (though quite how this odd comparison began I don't know and have n intention of spending too much time finding out).

Goblinchild · 03/04/2010 18:13

IT technician.

daysoftheweek · 03/04/2010 18:13

Auxillary nurse (shit wee vomit blood anyone)
Toilet cleaner
Shift care work
Mental health in the community

tethersend · 03/04/2010 18:13

I'm getting the distinct impression that nobody is interested in this completely hypothetical fight.

It's almost as if nobody cares

Miggsie · 03/04/2010 18:14

I remember when the teaching bill thingy was introduced by the Tories in the 90's all about parental choice etc etc and the satirical comedy show "Drop the Dead DOnkey" described the bill as "giving parents the right to blame the teacher if their child is thick" and I think a lot of parents have exercised that right.

OrmRenewed · 03/04/2010 18:15

BOF - it's bollocks in't it? Pupils are children. They don't know enough to have major input in such areas. DS~2's teacher is not popular amongst her pupils - very strict and no-nonsense - but she gets amazing results, children improve massively in her class. No interview panel of children would favour her

daysoftheweek · 03/04/2010 18:16

Almost any job in A&E on a Sat night
I expect some police jobs/prison officers have a tough time
Those people who have to clean up when someone died a while ago/violently
Child protection when it's all gone wrong

tethersend · 03/04/2010 18:16

Or child protection when it all goes right

gingernutlover · 03/04/2010 18:16

I'm a teacher and certainly dont feel "constantly under fire"

there are stresses to my job just like evey job has stresses, but I like my job and feel most parentsa re courteous and respectful towards me - as I am to them. Of course there are some who are unhappy at times and moan about it to their friends, which they are totally at liberty to do IMO.

daysoftheweek · 03/04/2010 18:17

Sorry I'm listing worse jobs for Dinah

DinahRod · 03/04/2010 18:17

SIL auxiliary nurse and loves it (so not accepting that one) plus when she comes home her work stops (she rings, having had a nice glass of wine, and gloats )

Drains cleaner
Cesspit maintenance
Traffic warden

daysoftheweek · 03/04/2010 18:18

child protection when it's all going ok is probably ok though?

tethersend · 03/04/2010 18:18

I know; so am I.

Child protection is a nightmare job regardless of whether it goes wrong or not.

tethersend · 03/04/2010 18:19

What do you think they are protecting children from?

daysoftheweek · 03/04/2010 18:19

Actually I retract that and agree with tethersend

daysoftheweek · 03/04/2010 18:19

x postedc I'm one hand typing sorry

Goblinchild · 03/04/2010 18:20

Well, I'm a primary school teacher tethers, so I'm quite handy in a fight.
I'm familiar with the weaponry of Rome and siege engines, medieval archery both long and crossbow, use of longsword and ballock dagger, basic herbal poisons, use of common implements such as scissors and pencils as weapons...
Plus all that work on science AT1 means I know where your major arteries are.
I am also accustomed to planning, implementing, evaluating and refining my ideas and techniques.
And with IT, don't you just unplug it to neutralise it?

daysoftheweek · 03/04/2010 18:21

yes drains a good one

was thinking about even when builders discover a host of mice/rats when working the other day

yukky

auxillary nurse has some yukky bits