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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think teachers are constantly under fire?

250 replies

strawberrykate · 01/04/2010 21:37

The number of negative assumptions about teachers motives, nit-picking over fine details of what they do and the general attitude towards seems to be really poor. They are held up to unusally high-standards and expected to do the impossible it seems.

Imagine the scenario, 30 children, one adult. Each child generates a small mountain of paperwork in the form of marking, reports, assessment and planning needs plus more. Each child has different needs, abilities, fears etc. You are under pressure to teach more hours than you have in the day (really, look up the required number of hours per subject per week, it adds up to more hours than there are in a school week). Average workload outside traching hours (if you do it all decently, but quickly)

  • 2 hours per night marking books
  • 1 hour a day collecting resources and preparing a class
  • 2 hours each for literacy, planning, numeracy, foundation etc. per week
  • half hour per day writing up lesson evaluations
  • half hour per day with parents/ resolving issues from the day, sending collecting letters and homework feedack etc.
  • one afterschool club plus tidying up and preperation/ waiting for kids to be collected 2 hours

That's a basic 58 hour week inc. the 6 hours teaching day.

Then throw in parents evenings/ report writing/ additional long term planning/ after school perfromances/ fetes/ events/ compeitions/ sports matchs/ meetings with outside services/ dealing with larger issues with families and children/ arranging special events or theme weeks/ liasing with outside professionals who come into school/ holiday clubs/ one to one tuition or extra free tutition and the million and one extras like carol concerts or parish events. Which can push the job into occupying every waking moment some weeks.

Then throw the needs of your own family.

Everyone is still shocked when your reports written at midnight have a few typos or you dont pick up or know about every child as well as their parents from memory. You get impromptu meetings where parents are outraged you don't know every level of the top of your head. Every slip of the tongue or small error is analysied to death. Every other year you may even be lucky enough to get a parents peition against you, normally over a misunderstanding (e.g. for banning books in the class was my favourite-I never did find out why they thought I'd done that). Parents gunning for a fight over a missing lunchbox/ coat/ glove, then no apology when it turns up at home or on a sibling.

AIBU to think a bit more courtesy toward teachers and an appreciation of them being human wouldn't go amiss? I've had a range of jobs, retail, law etc, and I've never been in ajob where so quick are people to attack. Even the national media has teachers and schools as a favourite gripe, rarely a week goes by where I don't see a report which boils down to saying teachers are either a bit thick/ lazy/ uncaring/ money-grabbing.

I really love working with kids and seeing the difference I can make, and I think I have done well by hundreds of children who have passed though my care. The constant, and increasing, habit of expecting teacher to be no less than saints is really pissing me off! It's huge factor as to why decent teachers leave the profession, often leaving ones who simply don't care/ can't find other work.

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SpicedGerkin · 02/04/2010 13:23

'Totally agree well said ! I have noticed just by reading the threads on here about people being up in arms about really trivial things over something the teacher in their eyes has handled wrong. I just think we should all support our teachers as much as possible.'

Mostly people vent on here rather than say anything as they know it isn't actually the teachers fault.

up in arms is subjective.

IMO you get shit teachers as well as good ones and average ones, wtf should people not moan about the crap ones just because they are a teacher?

SpicedGerkin · 02/04/2010 13:25

UQD - That isn't the parents though that's the government.

I don't think the parents of little shits have ever taken responsibility for them. tbh. Usually why they are little shits.

BritFish · 02/04/2010 13:35

unquietdad and spicedgherkin

ooh, you called kids 'little shits'
someone will be along in a minute to tell you how nasty you are.

why cant some people accept that its not always the parents/society/peers/media/teachers fault
some kids are just BORN LITTLE SHITS.

sarah293 · 02/04/2010 13:43

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UnquietDad · 02/04/2010 13:57

No, I don't think anyone's born bad either. Bad parenting is far more likely to be to blame than bad teaching.

UnquietDad · 02/04/2010 13:59

The idea that children have to be engaged by school at every moment, or the teaching is "poor", is just laughable.

How many people, in real life, are engaged at every minute by every aspect of their jobs? One might even ask the question of Ofsted inspectors. (Any here?)

BritFish · 02/04/2010 14:03

okay 'born' the wrong choice. 'ARE' was the word i should have used.

you do get perfectly normal people who have a great upbringing who do horrible things.

StuffedFullOfNothing · 02/04/2010 14:05

MillyR I can't tell a frog from a toad. I don't feel it's hindered me in life.

MillyMollyMoo · 02/04/2010 14:07

why cant some people accept that its not always the parents/society/peers/media/teachers fault
some kids are just BORN LITTLE SHITS.

Nobody is born a little shit, but genetics must play a part in somebody's temperament and that combined with parenting in the early years, even the first 2 years must be a factor.

Kids today do seem to need to be engaged or else they are destructive, now we were destructive as children, but we had major accidents, fell out of tree's, broke limbs etc, nobody seems to accept that as part and parcel of life either these days, hence the kids must be "entertained" by the school and parents 24/7.

SpicedGerkin · 02/04/2010 14:14

MMM - YY My DD broke her arm and i was horrified as i knew how many would react to a perfectly normal albeit painful injury.

I by my own standards am quite a protective parent, but going by others standards i'm positivly neglectful, the thought that my childs first freedom is when they pop off to uni horrifies me yet for many that is the reality....

pranma · 02/04/2010 14:15

Hear Hear OP
I was a teacher for 30 years and my dd and dss are teachers now.
Their jobs are consumed by paperwork of all kinds whereas mine was mainly in the classroom.Planning and marking took up a lot of my out of school time but they have so many forms,records,assessments,IEP's etc.My dd only works .5 now as she has dc herself.
re qualifications-teaching is an all graduate profession now with most having a post grad qualification too.
It can be the best job in the world but it is always demanding and stressful and some parents seem to enjoy 'teacher bashing' and encourage their dc to do the same.

pranma · 02/04/2010 14:18

IMO a good home can compensate for most of the deficiencies in a school but no school can make up for defective parenting.

Batteryhuman · 02/04/2010 14:51

I agree that the majority of teachers do an excellent job and I admire anyone who can put up with other peoples children day in and day out but (and there are several in my immediate family) they do winge an awful lot.

If the jobs so bad, go and do something else. If the hours are so terrible there are plenty of people who do just as many hours for less pay and without the holidays.
And if there is no job satisfaction find a job you enjoy.

I don't agree with teacher bashing but I don't think there is any profession represented on MN that considers itself collectively so hard done by (apart perhaps from Social Workers and arguably they have far more to complain about).

tethersend · 02/04/2010 15:17

Teaching is the one of the only professions that everyone has direct experience of, albeit from the other side. Everyone has been to school (save those HEd), and everyone has an opinion on teaching.

I find it very interesting that it has long been established that telling children they are crap does not improve their achievement- yet OFSTED adopt this method of 'raising standards' as if it were gospel. It's farcical.

Goblinchild · 02/04/2010 15:20

I do feel that teachers are constantly under fire.
I've decided not to care about it.

UnquietDad · 02/04/2010 15:21

"I don't think there is any profession represented on MN that considers itself collectively so hard done by"... But then again, there is no profession so collectively criticised.

Everyone thinks they know about schools and teaching because everyone has been through a school.

It's a bit like thinking you know how to bake because you are a bun.

tethersend · 02/04/2010 15:22

Is there an echo in here UQD?

sarah293 · 02/04/2010 15:26

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UnquietDad · 02/04/2010 15:27

And furthermore it appears that teachers are expected to be social workers too

"Dressing in the same colours"?

"using hand signals"?

"adopting the same slang expressions"?

The kids at the local secondary all wear bottle-green jumpers and certainly have an interesting range of hand-signals when the bus goes past, and tend to use the same "slang expressions" from what I've heard. Does this mean they are all in a gang?

feralgirl · 02/04/2010 15:27

OP, YANBU, it is a bloody hard job however I am a secondary teacher and have never spent two hours a night marking, I only write lesson evaluations when I have my PM observations (once a term) and AFAIK you don't have to do an after school club until you are post-threshold.

With regard to kids being engaged, when he is observing us, my line manager draws a little graph on his feedback forms to show you the % of engagement over time. He, for example, is a twat but it's an OfSTED standard and the whole point of a lesson is for students to be learning, so I suppose it's fair enough.

Despite the idiot SLT, the stress and the hard work, I love my job and I'm reasonably good at it. I also love the fact that I can come home and spend the early evening with DS and do my planning when he's asleep and I really love my holidays. I work in a "challenging" school with some very challenging parents but I have only ever experienced RL teacher bashing once (and that was from someone who used to be a TA). I don't consider myself hard done by at all!

UnquietDad · 02/04/2010 15:30

I don't know how one person can physically monitor the percentage of engagement of a class of 30 pupils over a whole lesson. You cannot possibly have your eye on them all at all times.

feralgirl · 02/04/2010 15:32

UQD, we're also supposed to watch out for suicide bombers here in Cornwall apparently (although it's in the Wail so it's probably bollocks).

sarah293 · 02/04/2010 15:33

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feralgirl · 02/04/2010 15:33

UQD, he's a mathemetician. He likes graphs

rainbowinthesky · 02/04/2010 15:35

Oh yes, I remember that old chestnut - if a child misbehaves it's your lesson plan. We were old told this on PGCE. It didnt take me long to realise that was a load of crap. You are often battling against forces far greater than your starter, main and plenary!