AIBU in thinking that all readers (and writers) of the Daily Mail should be put to death?

[TiggyD]

Well?

Right-wing, over-reacting, paparazzi funding, health scare loving, minority hating sub-literature for busy bodies, racists and little Englanders who live in the past?

You can assume that the people in the BNP who can read both buy the Daily Mail.

Be nice; you just know that somebody at the Mail will read this

Claig,

you are getting confused between the right to have an opinion and the right to it being respected.

You have the right to whatever opinion you want (I'm with Voltaire on this one) but you do not have the right to have your opinion respected. If your opinion is wrong, I have the right to laugh at it. I'm not stopping you having the opinion just expressing my opinion, through the medium of giggling.

(I'm not implying that you are a flat-earther, just illustrating a point)

daftpunk has been at the receiving end of many such insults whenever she expresses any view or even pops up on a thread.

MN is a great site with much useful info on it. There are discussions about the safety of vaccines etc. with people giving opposing views and sharing info from many sources. This helps everybody to make better informed decisions. Much of this information would never be found in the mainstream press, who do not inform the public about all angles. I don't like to see free speech curtailed and people unnecessarily insulted and discouraged from participation. Let's hear all opinions, let's not try to close debate down. That way we will all be better informed.

policywonk, the Guardian had to react to that story. It was all over the world's press and TV. It was action stations at Guardian HQ, all leave was cancelled. The number one priority was damage control. It would have to be spun as if they were taking it seriously, but we all knew that it would end up "concluding that the essential science remains sound".

They are fire-fighting as each new story appears exposing them. They hope they can ram it all through before the game is up. They're desperate, they know they'll be found out, so they are getting hysterical, more and more preposterous as each day passes and their inevitable fate looms. They tell us we've passed the tipping point, we really must start believing them, catastrophe is imminent, now it's only 12 days to save the world. They read the polls and tear them up as again and again they confirm that the majority of the public don't believe them. They put it all down to these accursed Daily Mail readers, if only they could be taught to swallow the Guardian's medicine.

www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/climate-change-special-twelve-days-to-save-the-worl d-1832067.html

thank God they are looking after us, they really are saints, and us flat-earthers are unrepentant sinners.

Claig why are you so interested in climate change denial?

Do you think the left invented climate change to oppress poor, honest daily mail readers?

No takers for the right wing/left wing wrestling tournament then? Shame, I could've worn my sparkly hotpants.

Amber;

I'd kill you....

I'm very fit

it's to oppress you amber1979, it's just that you are still unaware of it

I'm not going to get into the rights and wrongs of climate science here. 93 per cent of climate scientists believe that climate change is both real and anthropogenic, as does NASA and pretty much every other international scientific body of any repute. So you can take the Guardian's conclusion as evidence of its bias, and I'll take it as evidence of its commitment to scientific plausibility. We'll just have to disagree on that one.

But the fact remains that its articles about the CRU scandal and the IPCC have been very uncomfortable reading for those who take the majority line about climate change. Have you read the Guardian's coverage, by the way?

policywonk, where do you think that true power resides in the world? Do you really believe that if Fred Jones is elected to power, then he can do whatever he likes? Do you believe that the capitalists are in charge? If so, why are 93% of scientists and practically every elected politician and practically every media outlet in the world banging the climate change drum and wanting to implement policies that will go against the interests of the powerful capitalists? Or is it that those capitalists in power are really supporters of the policies that will follow as a result of climate change. Is it that Blair was never a real socialist? Is it that the rest of them aren't either? Is it that the real purpose behind these policies is to benefit the powerful and not us? Don't you think that the capitalists with all of their resources and their control of the media could stop anything that would really harm them?

To be honest I haven't read much of the Guardian's coverage because I essentially see them as carrying out damage control, with the bottom line always being to help the powerful. They have to look as if they are questioning issues otherwise they would lose all credibility, but however hard they look at the issue, they always reach the same conclusion, the one that helps the powerful.

Worrying how many people on this thread apparently think being right wing is akin to being racist and makes your views automatically suspect

claig your tin hat is slipping

dons devil mask I'm a Guardianista and I'm coming to get you....Myhahahaha!!!

I love the way all the conspiracy theorists go, "Oh, this climate change stuff is all a government trick to make us pay more tax and do X, Y and Z"

This ignores the giant diplodocus in the room, which is that we have, in fact, done fuck all about climate change. And our future plans are to do fuck all squared.
Does that not make just the teeniest dent in your feverish excitement about socialist plots?

amber1979, I'll welcome you because I know that you have been deceived but eventually you will come round and we'll be on the same side

I like the DM. It's a good paper. I do not agree with 90% of what is in it, but it is good at what it does. And it has a very popular website and is hugely successful.

Yes it is full of bigoted and some of their columnists are off their rocker, however look how much people refer to it (on here for instance) and how widely read it is. It is not just read by middle aged lower middle classes in their bungalows, my mum is a 50 something lesbian barmaid whose political inclination is somewhat to the left of Tony Benn, and she reads it avidly.

Look at how crap the DM could be - look at the Daily Express.

I like the papers in this country. I buy the News of the Screws, Sunday Mirror, Sunday Times and Telegraph on a Sunday and devour the lot.

And the Sun - their headline re Samantah Cameron made me laugh, the twats: "Wham bam! Sam Cam to be mam - she'll need a new pram"

TheHeathenOfSuburbia, we aren't going to do anything about climate change, because there is no problem. But the dire warning messages will continue unabated. They will implement low growth policies and you and your family will suffer. That is the intention, nothing to do with climate. They know that you will be cheering every policy that they introduce and like Oliver will even go back asking for more, and they fully intend to stick it you.

Every night on the news Jon Snow will tell us that not enough has been done yet, the figures coming out of the esteemed University of East Anglia will show that we only have 5 minutes left to save the world. You will be banging down their door, clamouring for more to be done. And you certainly will be done, like a kipper. They won't be happy until they have really impoverished you.

You won't notice that the winters were getting colder all along, because they will tell you to wise up, that is the effect of global warming. After many years you may eventually realise that you have been had. But then they will just apologise and say that there was an error in the original computer model and the programmer has now been fired. Meanwhile you will be left to pick up the pieces, will start buying the Mail, and wish that you had followed it all a bit more closely at the time.

GetOrfMoiLand, I agree with you. Read as many papers as you can, and keep an open mind. That way you get a better understanding of the world.

pmsl @ sam cam being called "mam"

Ok.... so climate change is a communist plot...

Not what I expected to read about on MN... but then I suppose that even conspiracy theorists need advice on motherhood occasionally!

Such as where to buy baby sized tin hats?

Claig - what is the benefit to the powerful of promoting climate change? What do they get out of it?

I make commission on the hats

ooojimaflip they want to impoverish us and set us back, reduce the rights that we have won. Turn back the clock. They think there are too many of us, the world's population is exploding. They want to put some spanners in the works. Look into it more and you will find that many other policies begin to make sense.

All sounds a bit like Pol Pot....

So.... the Guardianistas are actually the van guard of the army of a Capitalist plot to turn us all back into medieval surfs or some such like....

You should write a novel

No, y'see, I don't need to read the Mail, because I am an actual scientist who can read actual scientific papers and interpret maths and data and all that tricky stuff myself, rather than relying on someone who doesn't know the diffence between the gulf stream and a soda stream, but who spoke to a bloke in America who said it's all bollocks, and then typed 500 words of shock-horror tabloidese.

And again, I fail to see how non-existent policies/tax plans are going to impoverish me. Guess I'm just not getting the right info, eh?

The motivation for the bloody conspiracy theory doesn't even add up, is what's particularly annoying. I mean, I can see that people don't want to believe in evolution because they're religious, I can see that America could have lied about landing on the moon to manipulate the Cold War, but what's the big idea with climate change? Let's piss off some the richest companies in the world (Exxon, BP etc) in order to get people to insulate their lofts and get the bus to work? WTF?!
Worst. Conspiracy theory. Ever.

"Look into it more and you will find that many other policies begin to make sense."
Oh dear God, that's what the guy working next to me used to say if he got started on 9/11...

Strange to be in position of DM defender again but rather in the "spirit of get it all out there".

Claig I guess you approve of the Mail's dig at Dr Rajendra Pachauri ..another nice little story.

sorry i should say -- i approve also