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AIBU?

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to want my husband to actually deal with his family...?

51 replies

ginnybag · 22/03/2010 15:18

...specifically, the situation with regards to his parents and his brother. (V. long, sorry!!)

As background: My MIL (lovely lady!) had a massive stroke three years ago, which left her wheelchair bound and unable to speak.

My FIL, used to relying completely on MIL to organise the house, food shopping, bills etc, went completely to pieces, to the point where the house was a disaster and the business he owns and runs was in real trouble. He's talented at the actual skill of the business, but hopeless at the book-keeping, tax paying etc etc side.

DH and I bailed him out, as family does, both financially with the business (something which left us financially shaky ourselves and which has resulted in me being back at work despite my DD being only eight weeks old!) and practically and emotionally with all the stuff regarding the long term care for my MIL, the housework etc etc.

And, all through this, my DH's middle brother, who is nearly forty and still living at home, sat on his duff, 'traumatised' by his mother's stroke, and did nothing.

Now, to be clear, DH father is not MIL's first husband. DH is her youngest child - my two BIL are older and by a different man. They are my FIL step-sons in effect, although there has never been anything formal in place.

Middle BIL hates my FIL, supposedly because he mistreated my MIL. (In ten years+ of being with my DH, I've never seen any evidence of this and DH says he never saw it either, as does elder BIL)

To this end, as soon as my MIL had the stroke, middle BIL took it upon himself to collect up all her bank cards and personel papers etc and 'take charge' of them. He changed all MIL's pin numbers, so that he was the only one who had access. Him, not my FIL.

Both MIL's pension and all her DLA get paid into the account in her name, not my PIL's joint account. This means my FIL has no access to this, despite paying out several hundred pounds a week in carer costs etc.

BIL also still lives in PIL house, not contributing at all. He's self-employed as a driving instructor, so makes his own working hours, yet, not once, in three years, has he taken his mother out for the day. He's never once taken her to a hospital appointment - leaving my DH and me to take her (and take time off work) or FIL to manage it by closing his business for the day and pay for taxi's.

He pays no rent or housekeeping, but complains that FIL keeps forgetting to buy specific items for him. He does no domestic work. The one night a week he's supposed to make MIL's tea, he orders pizza from the local indian takeaway.

My FIL is miserable and stressed and keeps asking me what he should do. He doesn't feel he can throw BIL out because he is MIL's son. MIL is miserable, because she knows what's happening but is powerless to change it.

Things came to a head this past week, when FIL birthday passed without so much as a card from BIL (or MIL, because BIL thought FIL didn't deserve one from her!) and then FIL was admitted to hospital.

Despite being in the house when the ambulance came, BIL didn't think it necessary to contact my DH, who is, besides my MIL, my FIL only next of kin. He sent a no-longer-young, rather sick man into hospital alone, and told no-one.

We found out when we went round on Sunday evening as we normally do, and FIL wasn't there. MIL was in pieces; BIL's comment when I lost my temper with him (and I admit I shouldn't have!) was 'who cares what happens to him?'

DH was upset, but said nothing to his brother, as he hasn't for the past three years.

AIBU to think he has to sit down with his brother and sort all this out? If not now, when? Is he intending to let one of his parents die before he deals with the issue? Am I wrong to think it would be disastrous if he did, whichever way round it was?

DH says he can't 'deal with it right now' (his refrain on the topic for three years now!) and that, if I'm so worried 'I should do it myself' but I don't think I have the right, and that it has to come from him. To begin with, I think there are legal ramifications to some of this, and that's certainly not something I should be involved with.

Sorry for the length of the post... there's a lot of water under this bridge and more with each passing day.

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compo · 22/03/2010 15:26

The only one who can really sort it out is Fil surely? Whose house is it?
If it's in his name surelyhe can kick bil out?

BitOfFun · 22/03/2010 15:29

I would advise your husband to speak to the social worker involved (there must be one, surely?) about the financial aspects in particular. Sounds deeply dodgy to me.

ginnybag · 22/03/2010 15:33

The house is jointly in PIL's names.

No social worker - haven't seen hide nor hair of her for most of the three years. Once MIL was home, and FIL said he would pay for the carer's needed to get her home rather than the nursing home social services wanted us to put her in, she was out of there like a shot.

FIL is chronically unwell and very uncertain. He keeps asking me for help, and I keep telling my husband he is. DH does nothing.

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uglymugly · 22/03/2010 15:37

Would it help if your FIL obtained formal power of attorney of your MIL's finances? Or would the legal process cause more difficulties with regards to the BIL?

I think you should follow BoF's advice about the social worker - an experienced social worker is likely to have met this kind of situation before and should have some ideas, especially if the DLA money isn't being spent as it should.

BitOfFun · 22/03/2010 15:37

Well, if you are concerned, and he's doing nowt, I would get back in touch with social services. This whiffs of elder abuse to me.

Buda · 22/03/2010 15:42

With all due respect your DH needs to develop some backbone and quick. He is doing neither of his parents any good and causing them both more worry and stress.

Saying he 'can't deal with it now' is all well and good but unfortunately he doesn't have a choice. He HAS to deal with it now. It does sound like you need to get involved though. He is obv not going to be able to do it himself and may well need your help and support to do so. Presumably he and BIL have never gotten on?

MadamDeathstare · 22/03/2010 15:46

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OrmRenewed · 22/03/2010 15:47

Poor you and poof PILs.

DH has to deal with it. How the hell can he hear someone saying 'who care what happens to him' about his father and not want to deal with it?

OrmRenewed · 22/03/2010 15:48

What madamedeathstare said. Then BIL would have to get out.

tablefor3 · 22/03/2010 15:49

Sorry, no experience. Just wanted to offer sympathy (especailly being back at work so early!). Sounds like your DH will have to face up to things soon. Getting the SW (or a different one) involved sounds an excellent idea.

Can a family conference be organised? What is the eldest brother doing?

MadamDeathstare · 22/03/2010 15:49

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MCDL · 22/03/2010 15:50

DH and his dad should spend some quality time together, build some trust (if it not already there), and suggest that he is given POA over all his and his wifes financial affairs. You can then help as it sounds like FIL wants you involved. I think it would be a huge worry off your FIL's mind.

This should not need to be discussed with any other siblings.

OTTMummA · 22/03/2010 15:51

your DH needs to get his head out of the sand! and quick!

I don't know how families go on like this, really, its horrible.

1st the bil needs to either move the hell out or start paying rent.
( i would pack his shite up and leave it out side, change the locks etc, he has no rights or business living there with the way he's acting )

2nd, he needs to be reminded that it is NOT his house, and that all finacial aspects should and WILL be looked after by FIL.
this all needs to go through a solicitor btw, I can not believe he actualy went and changed your MILS pin and account info.

Im pretty sure he could be arrested for that.

3rd you need to keep dh on top of this, once he starts going, i would probably just do it all myself with his approval tbh. - i would talk through what should be happining and what steps you will be taking to ensure this happens etc.

I would put it to BIL that if his mum was to ddie before fil he wouldn't have a bloody home and would be out on the streets, maybe he should reform his behaviour and be bloddy greatful his FIL is being so accomodating especially considering what a cunt he has been!

JustMyTwoPenceWorth · 22/03/2010 15:53

you will probably find your MILs bank account is emptied sooner rather than later. I would advise getting help with that, for starters! Your FIL is her next of kin, so your BIL is acting illegally, surely?

OTTMummA · 22/03/2010 15:54

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diddl · 22/03/2010 15:55

Not helpful, but how has he managed to change PIN numbers?

He is not next of kin?

I think if your FIL is asking for help then your husband needs to.

MadamDeathstare · 22/03/2010 15:58

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MCDL · 22/03/2010 16:01

I would imagine as work in banking myself that BIL changed pin numbers at an ATM because he had to old ones... Data protection and compliance is rarely breached in bank policy.

cosysocks · 22/03/2010 16:04

I really think this needs to be sorted asap. What would happen if anything was to happen to you fil and he needed care? Would he get it? How would he be treated? What your bil is doing is abuse and you and your DH need to put a stop to it now.
Try action on elder abuse they have a helpline.

mamas12 · 22/03/2010 16:06

If social workers are not able to help I would contact CAB. They would be able to let you know the legalities of this and give support to you both and maybe give your dh some confidence.
Your bil sounds like a right bully.

MadamDeathstare · 22/03/2010 16:06

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MCDL · 22/03/2010 16:18

Yes but it would have to be done by next of Kin which is operater's FIL. He would be given POA (power of Attorney) which he needs to do immediately. He could request at that time for op or op's DH to be an LOA (letter of authority on the account. If BIL has taken any funds from account it is fruad. They can freeze account at FIL's request immediately ..

MadamDeathstare · 22/03/2010 16:24

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Ivykaty44 · 22/03/2010 16:35

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KimiGaveUpStarbucks4Lent · 22/03/2010 16:38

Your BIL has no right to be taking his mothers money, your DH needs to grow a pair and sort this mess out.
Speak to the bank, see if your MIL has a will.

Your BIL sounds like a real shit